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Describing the Christian God

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From another thread the following quote was made:
So long as we insist that God is a scientific matter, then I cannot. In that sense, I agree with you, there will be no direct scientific evidence for God - thus, I do not believe in God as you describe him. I would propose, however, that this is not the whole of the story.
I have heard my daughter make similar claims and find them just as meaningless.

I would ask someone to please describe the Christian God to me and what evidence they have to support their description of Him.

Late edit: as usual, my OP isn't clear enough. I am looking for attributes that you would use to describe God. Not what He wants us to do, not what proves his existence.
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Beto wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:You speak for the bible
but you provide NO scripture.
*sigh* I didn't specifically quote scripture because I was clearly referring to whatever scripture in Genesis referred to the creation of the universe.
InTheFlesh wrote:The scripture you brought up was that
God made man in his image.
You have yet to support your claims about the meaning of "Image"
Saying God made man in his image is not defining it.
You can pervert the meaning of words as you see fit. My responsibility is just to point it out and that's been accomplished.
You ignored the first TWO definitions that Webster offers
and you DO NOT support your claim of what the bible says it means
and I'm the one perverting the word? :P

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InTheFlesh wrote:You ignored the first TWO definitions that Webster offers
and you DO NOT support your claim of what the bible says it means
and I'm the one perverting the word? :P
You agreed that the third definition is appropriate for the context in question. You simply reject part of what that entails for no logical reason other than what makes you feel good. You agreed "image" means "exact likeness" and then basically added "but without the bad". Forgive me if I won't indulge you in these arbitrary addendums.

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Beto wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:You ignored the first TWO definitions that Webster offers
and you DO NOT support your claim of what the bible says it means
and I'm the one perverting the word? :P
You agreed that the third definition is appropriate for the context in question. You simply reject part of what that entails for no logical reason other than what makes you feel good. You agreed "image" means "exact likeness" and then basically added "but without the bad". Forgive me if I won't indulge you in these arbitrary addendums.
No need to ask for forgiveness
since you continue to indulge yourself.
And what you said is NOT true.
I never agreed that #3 is the appropriate defenition for debate.
I agreed it is the most accurate according to the bible definition.
We were made in the image of God,
but Jesus is the "express image of his person".
God is a person and Jesus is the "image of God"
What you see is what you get!

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Re: Describing the Christian God

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Confused wrote:
Late edit: as usual, my OP isn't clear enough. I am looking for attributes that you would use to describe God. Not what He wants us to do, not what proves his existence.
Describing God....ok, here's for a start.

He's the.....

Spirit of Love
Spirit of Wisdom
Spirit of Goodness
Spirit of Mercy
Spirit of Sanctity and Justice
Spirit of Understanding
Spirit of Counsel
Spirit of Fortitude
Spirit of Knowledge
Spirit of Piety
Spirit of Faith
Spirit of Hope
Spirit of Joy
Spirit of Peace
Spirit of Humility
Spirit of Patience
Spirit of Longanimity
Spirit of Fidelity and Truth
Spirit of Perfection
Spirit of Chastity and Purity

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InTheFlesh wrote:Beto,

You and the bible make DIFFERENT claims.
If we are exactly like God,
how is it that we are flesh and bones
and he is not?
Can you provide scripture to support your claims that God is not a man?
Were we not made by the hands of God?
Did he not breathe out of his mouth
and give us the breath of life?
The words of God come out of the mouth of Jesus! 8-)
Is Jesus not a man?
Is Jesus not the eternal creator?

Doesn't nature itself teach you that everything comes from seed of itself?
Were we not all born inside another human being?
Just like everything else,
if a human drops a seed
the result is another human.
If you plant a seed that came from a tomato,
you will get a tomato.
It's not that deep!
God, who is Spirit
manifested InTheFlesh.
We are the same,
We posess a spirit
but we live InTheFlesh.
But we were alive before our physical body was formed.
God is a reality.
Our makeup is proof!
Made in the "image of God" refers to our immortal soul....but those who lives on in the flesh such as yourself would find it difficult to search our soul.

But, God gave us the revelations, the knowledge...even His Own Son and the freedom to use our reasoning power to discover who we are and in whose image were we created.

Unfortunately, right now our immortal soul once so beautiful has been distorted and corrupted with the ugliness of hate, malice, envy, wickedness, greed, lust....

but God calls us the use our will to direct our actions and our life to the proper end of goodness...which is to become the image we were created with.

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TMMaria wrote:
Confused wrote:
Late edit: as usual, my OP isn't clear enough. I am looking for attributes that you would use to describe God. Not what He wants us to do, not what proves his existence.
Describing God....ok, here's for a start.

He's the.....

Spirit of Love
Spirit of Wisdom
Spirit of Goodness
Spirit of Mercy
Spirit of Sanctity and Justice
Spirit of Understanding
Spirit of Counsel
Spirit of Fortitude
Spirit of Knowledge
Spirit of Piety
Spirit of Faith
Spirit of Hope
Spirit of Joy
Spirit of Peace
Spirit of Humility
Spirit of Patience
Spirit of Longanimity
Spirit of Fidelity and Truth
Spirit of Perfection
Spirit of Chastity and Purity
And don't forget the Spirit of Christ! O:)

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InTheFlesh wrote:
Beto wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:You ignored the first TWO definitions that Webster offers
and you DO NOT support your claim of what the bible says it means
and I'm the one perverting the word? :P
You agreed that the third definition is appropriate for the context in question. You simply reject part of what that entails for no logical reason other than what makes you feel good. You agreed "image" means "exact likeness" and then basically added "but without the bad". Forgive me if I won't indulge you in these arbitrary addendums.
No need to ask for forgiveness
since you continue to indulge yourself.
I apologize if the sarcasm was too subtle.
InTheFlesh wrote:And what you said is NOT true.
I never agreed that #3 is the appropriate defenition for debate.
InTheFlesh wrote:Actually, I agree with you. The most accurate is #3 as the scriptures say about Jesus:
Heb.1[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person
It's difficult debating with someone who doesn't mean what he writes, or writes what he doesn't mean. However, his poor debating conduct can be exposed for what it is.
InTheFlesh wrote:I agreed it is the most accurate according to the bible definition.
No, you agreed it was the most accurate Merriam's definition. There is no "bible definition". If you want to take it back, be my guest. Of course then you'll just be admitting to a completely arbitrary and personal understanding of "image".
InTheFlesh wrote:We were made in the image of God,
but Jesus is the "express image of his person".
God is a person and Jesus is the "image of God"
What you see is what you get!
Nothing here but the usual drivel.

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I don't see in the Bible a real definition of God. We see many claims about His attributes that are mostly stories(myth) and metaphors.
With the attributes of God being the way they are described it seems any definition would fall short and would be limited.
An anthropomorphic God is seem in the early stories and in the later NT Jesus is claimed to be God or at least God's son and this goes back to the adoption of David with no supernatural claims needed.
Many Christians have a rather pagan view of God as Jesus.
Of course this fits well we other pagan views of the gods being replaced by their sons.
If one was to present a Biblical view of God you will end up with contradictions and nonsense. Mostly we have definitions of God that are simply negations of what it is to be human and makes the image ideas rather silly sounding.
As Whitehead once pointed out, we have given God all the worse attributes of Cesar. We even get believers saying such things as God can kill anyone He likes because He created them. Would we give the same to parents that have children?
Ancient stories tell us that God commanded whole cities to be killed including every man, woman and child and modern Bible Believers even defend such actions rather then admit to the possibility that they are just stories they make their God into a evil tyrant that they claim is not evil because their definition of God is that He is good therefore anything He does is good even if it is evil.
What is often our highest value becomes our lowest values turned into their god and then claimed to be great.
Mostly it sounds like loyalist gibberish.
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Are you not pro abortion? :whistle:

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InTheFlesh wrote:Are you not pro abortion? :whistle:
I am pro choice and not all that into abortions while Christians should just claim it is God's will that the fetus is aborted.

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