Jesus is God - is Jesus the bridegroom?

[Wootah]

Blog post by someone: https://alexiscarucci.com/2022/05/18/je ... ridegroom/

Some relevant NT passages snipped from the blog post

Jesus referred to Himself as the bridegroom when He talked about why His disciples didn’t fast (Mark 2:18 – 20). Likewise, John, the Baptist, presented himself as the bridegroom’s friend and declared that the bride belongs to the bridegroom (John 3:29). The bride of Christ or the church consists of the entire body of believers throughout the ages, all who have received salvation by grace through faith. The New Jerusalem is also referred to as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband and alludes to Christ as the bridegroom (Revelation 21:2, 9 – 10).

Some relevant OT passages
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.

I think the union between man and God that was restablished in Jesus is quite clear. When we put our faith in Jesus we are accepting that what Jesus did has united God and man. It took God to unite what man tore apart.

So, Jesus is God or is Jesus some rando that calls himself the bridegroom?

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

Lexicon define "Alpha" and it did refer to Jesus. "Alpha and first" one definition from both is "the beginning"

(Alpha) NT:255 alfa n: the first in a series, with implications of significance or importance - 'alpha, the first, the beginning.'
'I am the alpha and the omega' Rev 1:8. This expression is explained in some manuscripts as 'the beginning and the end' and in others as 'the first and the last' and in Rev 22:13 as both 'the first and the last' and 'the beginning and the end.' The combination of alpha and omega in secular literature came to designate the entire universe and all kinds of divine and demonic powers, so that in Revelation this title could refer to Christ's dominion over the universe. In the use of such an expression as 'the alpha and the omega,' there is obviously also an important element of status.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

(First) NT:4413 protos (pro'-tos); contracted superlative of NT:4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):
KJV - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(Last) NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):
KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Any comment to this definition onewithhim?

[onewithhim]

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

That was a jab. I could say the same about you, but I wont. So, did you look at an Interlinear Bible? If not, does that say something about your willingness to consider other viewpoints, as in a discussion? If not, it speaks to your level of understanding. And Strong doesn't seem so sure of his understanding. He says it could be this or that, not anything definitive. (See post #110.)

[Capbook]

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

Lexicon define "Alpha" and it did refer to Jesus. "Alpha and first" one definition from both is "the beginning"

(Alpha) NT:255 alfa n: the first in a series, with implications of significance or importance - 'alpha, the first, the beginning.'
'I am the alpha and the omega' Rev 1:8. This expression is explained in some manuscripts as 'the beginning and the end' and in others as 'the first and the last' and in Rev 22:13 as both 'the first and the last' and 'the beginning and the end.' The combination of alpha and omega in secular literature came to designate the entire universe and all kinds of divine and demonic powers, so that in Revelation this title could refer to Christ's dominion over the universe. In the use of such an expression as 'the alpha and the omega,' there is obviously also an important element of status.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

(First) NT:4413 protos (pro'-tos); contracted superlative of NT:4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):
KJV - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(Last) NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):
KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Any comment to this definition onewithhim?

No comment to this definition onewithhim?

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[onewithhim]

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

Lexicon define "Alpha" and it did refer to Jesus. "Alpha and first" one definition from both is "the beginning"

(Alpha) NT:255 alfa n: the first in a series, with implications of significance or importance - 'alpha, the first, the beginning.'
'I am the alpha and the omega' Rev 1:8. This expression is explained in some manuscripts as 'the beginning and the end' and in others as 'the first and the last' and in Rev 22:13 as both 'the first and the last' and 'the beginning and the end.' The combination of alpha and omega in secular literature came to designate the entire universe and all kinds of divine and demonic powers, so that in Revelation this title could refer to Christ's dominion over the universe. In the use of such an expression as 'the alpha and the omega,' there is obviously also an important element of status.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

(First) NT:4413 protos (pro'-tos); contracted superlative of NT:4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):
KJV - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(Last) NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):
KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Any comment to this definition onewithhim?

No comment to this definition onewithhim?

I have thoroughly explained my scripturally based thoughts about your ideas about the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last. You merely insist on ignoring them.

[Capbook]

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

Lexicon define "Alpha" and it did refer to Jesus. "Alpha and first" one definition from both is "the beginning"

(Alpha) NT:255 alfa n: the first in a series, with implications of significance or importance - 'alpha, the first, the beginning.'
'I am the alpha and the omega' Rev 1:8. This expression is explained in some manuscripts as 'the beginning and the end' and in others as 'the first and the last' and in Rev 22:13 as both 'the first and the last' and 'the beginning and the end.' The combination of alpha and omega in secular literature came to designate the entire universe and all kinds of divine and demonic powers, so that in Revelation this title could refer to Christ's dominion over the universe. In the use of such an expression as 'the alpha and the omega,' there is obviously also an important element of status.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

(First) NT:4413 protos (pro'-tos); contracted superlative of NT:4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):
KJV - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(Last) NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):
KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Any comment to this definition onewithhim?

No comment to this definition onewithhim?

I have thoroughly explained my scripturally based thoughts about your ideas about the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last. You merely insist on ignoring them.

The first and the last in Rev 1;17,18
The first and the last in Isa 44:6
Have you explained that?
Is the Father firstborn also?

[onewithhim]

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

Lexicon define "Alpha" and it did refer to Jesus. "Alpha and first" one definition from both is "the beginning"

(Alpha) NT:255 alfa n: the first in a series, with implications of significance or importance - 'alpha, the first, the beginning.'
'I am the alpha and the omega' Rev 1:8. This expression is explained in some manuscripts as 'the beginning and the end' and in others as 'the first and the last' and in Rev 22:13 as both 'the first and the last' and 'the beginning and the end.' The combination of alpha and omega in secular literature came to designate the entire universe and all kinds of divine and demonic powers, so that in Revelation this title could refer to Christ's dominion over the universe. In the use of such an expression as 'the alpha and the omega,' there is obviously also an important element of status.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

(First) NT:4413 protos (pro'-tos); contracted superlative of NT:4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):
KJV - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(Last) NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):
KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Any comment to this definition onewithhim?

No comment to this definition onewithhim?

I have thoroughly explained my scripturally based thoughts about your ideas about the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last. You merely insist on ignoring them.

The first and the last in Rev 1;17,18
The first and the last in Isa 44:6
Have you explained that?
Is the Father firstborn also?

Yes I have explained it. You either don't read my posts or you don't understand them.

[Capbook]

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)

Please explain why Rev 1:8,9 refers to the Father. Can you answer these questions?
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, what verse support it.
2. And who was it that died and was made alive? (v. 18) If the Father, what verse that shows the Father died and made alive.

1. Rev. 1:8 is spoken by the Father. He is the Almighty. And He is to come, as Malachi 3:5 brings out. Both He and Jesus are to "come."
2. In verse 18 it is Jesus that died and was made alive.

I explained about "The First and the Last" in my previous post, post #110. It is different than "Alpha and Omega," and have you looked up the Greek letters in an Interlinear? You can see that they are different.

Lexicon define "Alpha" and it did refer to Jesus. "Alpha and first" one definition from both is "the beginning"

(Alpha) NT:255 alfa n: the first in a series, with implications of significance or importance - 'alpha, the first, the beginning.'
'I am the alpha and the omega' Rev 1:8. This expression is explained in some manuscripts as 'the beginning and the end' and in others as 'the first and the last' and in Rev 22:13 as both 'the first and the last' and 'the beginning and the end.' The combination of alpha and omega in secular literature came to designate the entire universe and all kinds of divine and demonic powers, so that in Revelation this title could refer to Christ's dominion over the universe. In the use of such an expression as 'the alpha and the omega,' there is obviously also an important element of status.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

(First) NT:4413 protos (pro'-tos); contracted superlative of NT:4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance):
KJV - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(Last) NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time):
KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Any comment to this definition onewithhim?

No comment to this definition onewithhim?

I have thoroughly explained my scripturally based thoughts about your ideas about the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last. You merely insist on ignoring them.

The first and the last in Rev 1;17,18
The first and the last in Isa 44:6
Have you explained that?
Is the Father firstborn also?

Yes I have explained it. You either don't read my posts or you don't understand them.

Yes, you have explained it on another thread.
It's same words used, if what you interpret for Jesus should be the same interpretation to the Father.