Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?
If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?
Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #111In fairness, everything you do has been transformed by Jesus Christ. Christianity is the air we breathe. That literally is enough evidence.Clownboat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:23 amIf we were to be honest, a non Christian would find it very reasonable that a crucifixion took place. It's the decomposing body reanimating to life, plus the long dead Saints walking Jerusalem that gives pause, not this notion of a God being humiliated.Wootah wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:06 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #104]
Non Christians hate the thought of God humiliating himself on a cross for them.
If only this GOD would make itself known to mankind in a way that is different when compared to the gods you think are false. If only this god would do it for love, but alas, your words seem solely like religious platitudes sadly, not something that reality reflects.Not that they cry but that's love for you. GOD will do anything for love, even that.
Essentially you are asking God to be like the false Gods. When God makes Himself know as you are asking will be too late.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #112This is nonsensical and not true. What we have is just a religious belief that you hold. Which is fine, but pretending you speak the truth is less fine IMO. As long as you are not harming others though, believe what you want.
Essentially you are asking God to be like the false Gods.
Nope, just noticing that ALL god concepts fail to make themselves known. Your god concept included, so it is already just like the god concepts you believe are false. Why do you think your god concept is the same as all others in this regard?
This is nothing but a religious scare tactic and it works much better on children. Don't forget to tell them all about the lake of fire and the gnashing of teeth! In all seriousness, why not leave this kind of thing to the terrorists? You are better than that I would think.When God makes Himself know as you are asking will be too late.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #113Yes I reject the notion that Jesus is God. He said that his Father was the only true God (John 17:3) I honor Jesus' own position on that. God would not have humbled himself to a death on a cross. God cannot die, or else everything would disappear. He is the Source of life and the originator of all things. That is why Jesus came to represent his Father, God, and he spoke and acted in his Father's name. Jesus' work is enough to save me. Works do not save anybody. Belief in Jesus comes first, then the works come to show that we believe.Wootah wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:27 pmYou reject Jesus is God. Right?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:17 pmWhere do you get the idea that I "reject Jesus"?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:04 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #106]
No you are wrong because Jews are monotheists. They don't care about your demigod version.
They reject Jesus because they don't want God to be 'like that'. The ultimate servant.
This is likely why you reject Jesus as well. Imagine all the works you do is the same as the Jews and then you find out that it doesn't count. Both Jews and JWs want their works to count but only God's work will count and it has always been 'by faith'.
And JWs don't believe that works alone will save them. It is belief in Jesus FIRST, and then works becoming to a Christian.
Which means that if Jesus is God you reject the idea of God being willing to humble himself to a cross. Right?
So you do add works? My works are in response to what Jesus did not in addition to what Jesus did. If your works are not enough, will Jesus's work be enough?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #114Jesus wrote nothing down and the gospel authors are unknown to us. Anything you believe he said is just you placing trust in unknown authors (with some exceptions) or making an idol out of the Bible. I say this in hopes that you will understand as to why your words really don't mean much.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:01 pm Yes I reject the notion that Jesus is God. He said that his Father was the only true God (John 17:3)
Idol - a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered.
What is your take on this scripture?God would not have humbled himself to a death on a cross.
Philippians 2:8
New International Version
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Jesus' work is enough to save me. Works do not save anybody.
Just leaving this here for all to read.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb