Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?
If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?
Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #101Haven't read the Quran in a bit,but yes, he certainly had alot to say to Christians and Jews. Basically, he accused Jews of creating an ethnocentric religion, and Christians of creating a polytheistic religion. Jews and Christians misunderstood the prophets, but I will straighten it out in the Quran.
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Is Christianity not proven false by its own claims?
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Is Christianity not proven false by its own claims?

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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #102Those accusations are also wrong partially. And that what is correct, one could see just by reading the Bible. Muhammad is not required to know that. And that is why I think he didn't really bring anything new. But, I think it is true that many Jews and Christians have misunderstood the prophets.
For example, if Christianity would be what is said in the Bible, it would not be polytheistic, because Bible tells there is only one true God and the God is greater than Jesus.
And about the ethnocentrism, if Judaism would be what is said in the Bible, it is not ethnocentric religion, for example because also foreign people can become Jews.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #103Yes the issue about the transfiguration and the Kingdom near requires an answer to what might be a spurious comment made: "you betcha! All of them did" die before the transfiguration. That transfiguration was Christ "coming in his Kingdom." A preview of what he would be like in the end times. Peter, James and John did not die before they saw the transfiguration. And God's Kingdom was near in the presence of the future King. That explanation is just as reasonable as your idea that the Bible isn't correct.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:56 amThis is like complaining about the fact that the guy on the other side of the net doesn't let your shot go by unchallenged, but returns it with a shot of his own. Don't like comments about X then stop bringing up X. .... And believe it or not, but questions asked and answered, such as [Did any of them die before the Son of man came with his kingdom? YOU BETCHA! ALL OF THEM DID.] and [Was god's kingdom near? HARDLY!] don't expect or require an answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:44 pmSo-called Christians aren't taught what those verses are really saying. As stated before, more than once, Jesus was talking about the vision of his transfiguration on the mountain with Peter, James and John. They saw him "coming in his Kingdom" by way of the brightness of his glory there before them.Miles wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:54 pmAnd you don't think Christians sweep things under the rug? Just consider:onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:27 pm
Jews don't accept Christianity because their religious leaders haven't taught them to do so. It is clear in the Scriptures that Jesus is the Messiah and even when he would appear. That is swept under the rug by Jewish leaders.
Matthew 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. [Did any of them die before the Son of man came with his kingdom? YOU BETCHA! ALL OF THEM DID.]
Mark 1:15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. [Was god's kingdom near? HARDLY!]
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Mark 1:15 shows that the Kingdom was near by way of the presence of Jesus there among them. He is the King designate and could be said to represent the Kingdom here on Earth. So this King was near to them all and would fulfill what the verse indicated, as being "at hand."
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #104It is unfortunate that the Jews just listen to so-called Christians that teach the trinity. They then think that all Christians believe that. It is true that if they really looked into what the Bible actually says, they would see that true Christians are not polytheistic. Like you say---the Bible tells there is only one true God and that God is greater than Jesus.1213 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:12 amThose accusations are also wrong partially. And that what is correct, one could see just by reading the Bible. Muhammad is not required to know that. And that is why I think he didn't really bring anything new. But, I think it is true that many Jews and Christians have misunderstood the prophets.
For example, if Christianity would be what is said in the Bible, it would not be polytheistic, because Bible tells there is only one true God and the God is greater than Jesus.
It is odd, too, that Muslims are so avidly against Christianity because the Quran itself says that the Bible---all of it---was given to them by Allah. It says that Jesus was a great prophet. Very strange that they would not acknowledge that.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #105[Replying to onewithhim in post #104]
Non Christians hate the thought of God humiliating himself on a cross for them.
Not that they cry but that's love for you. GOD will do anything for love, even that.
Non Christians hate the thought of God humiliating himself on a cross for them.
Not that they cry but that's love for you. GOD will do anything for love, even that.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #106They hate the thought of God's SON humiliating himself on a 'cross.'Wootah wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:06 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #104]
Non Christians hate the thought of God humiliating himself on a cross for them.
Not that they cry but that's love for you. GOD will do anything for love, even that.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #107[Replying to onewithhim in post #106]
No you are wrong because Jews are monotheists. They don't care about your demigod version.
They reject Jesus because they don't want God to be 'like that'. The ultimate servant.
This is likely why you reject Jesus as well. Imagine all the works you do is the same as the Jews and then you find out that it doesn't count. Both Jews and JWs want their works to count but only God's work will count and it has always been 'by faith'.
No you are wrong because Jews are monotheists. They don't care about your demigod version.
They reject Jesus because they don't want God to be 'like that'. The ultimate servant.
This is likely why you reject Jesus as well. Imagine all the works you do is the same as the Jews and then you find out that it doesn't count. Both Jews and JWs want their works to count but only God's work will count and it has always been 'by faith'.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #108Where do you get the idea that I "reject Jesus"?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:04 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #106]
No you are wrong because Jews are monotheists. They don't care about your demigod version.
They reject Jesus because they don't want God to be 'like that'. The ultimate servant.
This is likely why you reject Jesus as well. Imagine all the works you do is the same as the Jews and then you find out that it doesn't count. Both Jews and JWs want their works to count but only God's work will count and it has always been 'by faith'.
And JWs don't believe that works alone will save them. It is belief in Jesus FIRST, and then works becoming to a Christian.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #109You reject Jesus is God. Right?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:17 pmWhere do you get the idea that I "reject Jesus"?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:04 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #106]
No you are wrong because Jews are monotheists. They don't care about your demigod version.
They reject Jesus because they don't want God to be 'like that'. The ultimate servant.
This is likely why you reject Jesus as well. Imagine all the works you do is the same as the Jews and then you find out that it doesn't count. Both Jews and JWs want their works to count but only God's work will count and it has always been 'by faith'.
And JWs don't believe that works alone will save them. It is belief in Jesus FIRST, and then works becoming to a Christian.
Which means that if Jesus is God you reject the idea of God being willing to humble himself to a cross. Right?
So you do add works? My works are in response to what Jesus did not in addition to what Jesus did. If your works are not enough, will Jesus's work be enough?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #110If we were to be honest, a non Christian would find it very reasonable that a crucifixion took place. It's the decomposing body reanimating to life, plus the long dead Saints walking Jerusalem that gives pause, not this notion of a God being humiliated.Wootah wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:06 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #104]
Non Christians hate the thought of God humiliating himself on a cross for them.
If only this GOD would make itself known to mankind in a way that is different when compared to the gods you think are false. If only this god would do it for love, but alas, your words seem solely like religious platitudes sadly, not something that reality reflects.Not that they cry but that's love for you. GOD will do anything for love, even that.
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