Would the Hebrew Messiah attend your Church?

[Okieshowedem]

Think about what He taught His apostles.

I don't know of any Church that He would enter.


Okieshowedem

[ken1burton]

Matthew 24:29 is looking at the day of the Cross, As the picture is seen three different ways, the Angels gather all things which offend, Who is Jesus, They then are seen as gathering His Elect which is also them coming of Jesus on the Mount of Olives,

Old Heaven is sunset to Midnight, Old Earth is Midnight to sunrise, Heaven and earth flee from His Face seen as the Face of a Man on the third beast with 6-wings which is Sunrise to noon, New Earth, Then Noon to Sunset which is New Heaven, So they gather from one end of heaven to the other, From One end of the earth to the other.

The Seed of Abraham seen as the Stars of Heaven, all cast down “No man cometh unto the Father. But by Me.” Seen a third at a time in Revelation as it is seen in three different pictures.

Midnight to Sunrise is the time of Abraham, Rachael weeping for Her Children, For they are NOT.

Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.
16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.

Verse 16 does not fit Bethlehem, It is for the Children of the Kingdom cast out, and the day of the Cross is first seen as 4 6-hour periods seen as KINGDOMS or CORNERS.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

His days as Heaven. The day made as 7 days, so it is stretched out as 7 heavens, Jesus was the Head of the first 6-hours, Then He becomes the TAIL, and Judas and the 144 with him become the Head, So the powers of Heaven are shaken.

Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

At Midnight they are ALL IN CHRIST, So Number His seed “ONE”. All one because God poured out His spirit (Jesus) upon all flesh. All guilty (We have all TOGETHER become as an UNCLEAN thing) All spiritually dead because of sin. The Wicked is turned into hell, so we are all as dead in Hell, or in Christ.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Outer Darkness is Midnight to Sunrise, Disciples are weeping as they flee, the 144 with Judas are gnashing their teeth. Rahel is also weeping as every prophecy is fulfilled the day of the Cross.

The Rapture concept is for the day of the Cross, Seen in Jeremiah:

The Cry at death is the Trumpet:


Isaiah 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jesus as His heart ruptures or a main artery breaks, and the blood starts to pump into the body cavity, Where it is seen when His side is pierced, showing that Jesus bled to death on the cross. His cry seen as the Trumpet.

20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jesus is made all things cursed, Even the earth itself, destroyed by fire or God’s word like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29. The Curtains is the Veil in the Temple ripped, There is Paul’s MOMENT, or a twinkling of an eye.

21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

The Standard is the Cross at Golgotha, Jesus is still crying out as the blood is being pumped into the body cavity.

22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

The Trumpet shall Sound, The Lord shall Descend (into hell) and we are changed, as Sottish Children, Rebellious Children, But still as Children by God’s word.

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

The Heavens have no Light, for the Light of the World, Just descended into hell.

This is the BEGINNING, this is where John 1:1 belongs, Jesus had all futures sins as His OWN SINS, So He is a Murderer from the BEGINNING. He Declareth the END from the Beginning “It is Finished.” This is also Armageddon, The Battle was sin death and hell, Those words were recorded as “It is Done.” then the Earthquake seen as both,

The Holy City being divided into three parts in Revelation is the day as 3 pictures, being seen again.

All as Unclean till fulfilled, so the day as 3 pictures is as three unclean spirits like frogs. When all is fulfilled, then all made Truth at once. The lamb has seven eyes, So the extra eyes are plucked out, till it is back to one day or eye, the Eye is single and full of Light, the day taken out of time and made Darkness,

So if the Light in Thy Eye be Darkness, How GREAT is that Darkness?

Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.


The Object is not to know Scripture, But to know God.

Ken

The falling away first is when all forsook Jesus, The man of sin is revealed, which is Jesus with all future sins upon Him, Sitting upon the Throne of God, showing Himself to be God (Son of David as God the day of the Cross in Zechariah 12:8) exalting Himself above all that is CALLED CALLED CALLED God, Not what really is God, and above that which was being worshiped wrong.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Hell ceased to exist on the third day, it was just a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin, then they had to wait till the third day.

[Jester]

Think about what He taught His apostles.

I don't know of any Church that He would enter.


Okieshowedem

I feel that Jesus would be willing to enter any church, but that's not to say he wouldn't point out some his problems with their teaching once inside.

[Okieshowedem]

This religion in all its forms rejects the very Bible they read.
The Hebrew Scriptures do not teach a lawless salvation as it is taught by the Christian religion.
The whole reason for giving the Law in the first place was to show mankind what his own way would bring.
Being inspired by Satan the God of this world 2 Cor.4:4 this religion has deceived the whole world as Rev.12:9 states.
What this lying religion inspired by Satan the God of this world has managed to do is twist the Scriptures through the many mistranslations of the Scriptures to promote this phony religion.
If any of these Christian religion had the truth there would be no need for the Creator to establish His House in the Last Days to teach His truth as the prophets wrote He would in Isa.2:2 and Mic.4:1.
So how did Satan manage to twist the writtings of the prophets and apostles and permote the worship of pagan Gods?
Come by and see if you have eyes to see and a undesrtanding mind.

http://www.yahweh.com/booklets/Whois/Whois.htm

May Holy Spirit that inspired the prophets and apostles of the real Messiah to write to us bless your understanding in your search for truth.


Okieshowedem

[ken1burton]

Okieshowedem.

First, You have a web site shown on your post. Who’s site is it, Yours or someone else’s? If you wrote it, Then we have someone who can answer questions, etc. Third party web sites or writings, have little value. They are not in the Discussions, and do not respond to questions most of the time. Some are not even alive on earth anymore.

Some of the things you have written here, show you reject a lot of it also. Part of the Prophecies which had to be fulfilled was “The law is no more.”

You said “Satan is the God of this world”, This same world which Jesus said “I have been given all power in Heaven and in Earth? Did Jesus sell this world on E-bay or what?

The Last days? That is part of the Prophecies, They had to be fulfilled the day of the Cross,

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

The book of Revelation looks at the day of the Cross seen as 3 pictures, First as 4 6-hour periods as 4 beasts with 6-wings, second as 2 12-hour periods, Third as 1 24-hour period seen as 24 Elders.

John is in the Spirit on the Lord’s day or looking at the day of the Cross, the day of the Cross as a House built, the Name of the House is the WILDERNESS, where Jesus was taken to be tempted, Then given 42 months to continue, or to show the Disciples what would shortly come to pass, Then goes back and shows those things during His physical earthly ministry.

Christianity is messed up Scripturally, You are in the same boat. The last days are old testament prophecies meaning they had to be fulfilled the day of the Cross, The Rapture concepts, the New Heaven and Earth, all spoken of by the Old Testament prophets, Which means Jesus had to fulfill them the day of the Cross, and Jesus did fulfill them, to the Jot and tittle.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ken

[Okieshowedem]

First the cross is a pagan as Christmas and Easter!
Talking about taking verses out of context.
Old sweet Jesus has really screwed up your head in my humble opinion.
Those Laws are forever, breaking them is called sin 1 John 3:4, and the wages of sin is death Romans 2:13.
You may want to read what the Real Messiah said about believing all that the prophets spoke not what we dream up or, we are told by our lying preacher boys.
Luke 24:25
Now in case you believe that the Christians false savior is the real One think again.
It is true that Satan is the God of this world and from the looks of things your God too.
Now if you want the truth look outside the lies of the Church.

Okieshowedem

[ken1burton]

Okieshowedem.

The Cross is also a Prophecy, All the curses fall upon Christ because He took the sins which brought the Curses. Jesus ended the Daily Sacrifice.

Ezra 6:11 Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this.

Christianity is a dunghill for the Tree of life, which is Christ, Sounds terrible? Naw, That is what makes trees grow. It is also the parable of the tree which did not bear fruit for three years. All fled the day of the Cross, no fruit to be seen.

What HUMBLE opinion?

The wages of sin is death, Guess who stole our paychecks at Golgotha?

?? Will the REAL MESSIAH please stand up. That was “What’s my line.” You have a different REAL MESSIAH? I know God blinded the Disciples as in deep sleep, and He also blinded Jesus (Isaiah 42:19/21)

Screwed up? Is that like Elijah carried up to Heaven in a Whirlwind?

I do not hold Sound Church Doctrine as anywhere SOUND or Truth.

Ken

[Jester]

This religion in all its forms rejects the very Bible they read.

I will agree that no person or church follows the religion perfectly, and that nearly all Christians are further from a perfect understanding than we imagine, but rejecting the Bible is beyond anything that can be supported with reasonable argument.

The Hebrew Scriptures do not teach a lawless salvation as it is taught by the Christian religion.

While the law is the means of salvation in the Old Covenant, I don’t see that it contradicts the Hebrew scriptures to suggest that a new covenant could be made. And while this salvation does not come from the law, it is not lawless. Jesus himself addressed this issue:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

The whole reason for giving the Law in the first place was to show mankind what his own way would bring.

Indeed, and that is still its use under Christianity.

Being inspired by Satan the God of this world 2 Cor.4:4 this religion has deceived the whole world as Rev.12:9 states.
What this lying religion inspired by Satan the God of this world has managed to do is twist the Scriptures through the many mistranslations of the Scriptures to promote this phony religion.
If any of these Christian religion had the truth there would be no need for the Creator to establish His House in the Last Days to teach His truth as the prophets wrote He would in Isa.2:2 and Mic.4:1.

This appears to be an overstatement. I believe that there is no human that understands truth perfectly. Hence, there will always be a need for the Creator to teach us truth until those days come. This does not mean, however, that the basic claims of Christianity are wrong.
To put it another way, you cannot use the claims of the New Testament to discredit the New Testament unless you are specifically attempting to point out a contradiction (with other scripture or reality). Clearly, these passages 2Corinitians and Revelation were not advising us to ignore everything else written by their authors. It seems clear that this is taking these verses deeply out of context.

So how did Satan manage to twist the writtings of the prophets and apostles and permote the worship of pagan Gods?
Come by and see if you have eyes to see and a undesrtanding mind.

http://www.yahweh.com/booklets/Whois/Whois.htm

I can’t say I’ve yet gotten through the entire site, but don’t yet see the connection so much as the pointing out of some semantic mistakes. This is a good, though not compelling, argument that modern English speakers are, from a historical perspective, probably using the wrong collection of letters to reference to the supreme being. It does not, however, establish that the hearts of modern Christians or the core teachings of Christianity are directed at Baal rather than Yahweh. While I have many complaints of the church myself, this is definitely not one of them.
I did appreciate the link, though, its an interesting read.

[Okieshowedem]

http://www.yahweh.com/bookofyahweh.htm

O

[Jester]

http://www.yahweh.com/bookofyahweh.htm

O

I’m guessing that the rest of this comment was erased. Feel free to add anything that’s worth the time to rewrite (though I know that’s frustrating). Until then, I’ll reply to the link.
My first reaction is to wonder why the emphasis on the name itself. Surely, it is an important topic, but the site seems angry at those who are not interested in completely replacing every copy of every Bible in the English language. Perhaps I’m reading too much into the tone of the page (I’m willing to believe that), but I’m left wondering if I could ever actually understand the pronunciation on a fine enough level to impress the site’s author. Not being a native speaker of Hebrew, the actual pronunciation will probably be lost on me for the rest of my life. The best I can hope for is to understand the word via my own thick accent.

This all seems to beg the question: “why this emphasis?” Is it really the pronunciation, or the concept/meaning of the name, that is most significant? While I understand that the rest of your post (which I was unable to read) might have done so, this link did not answer this question. I suppose it’s a bit unfair of me to expect a link directed at my particular issue, but would love some comments. I personally feel that it is legalistic to believe that the derivation of the name, rather than the logic, convictions, and heart of the individual, that should be considered the reality of a religion.

[Okieshowedem]

jester

Names are not to be translated.
Mr. Bush is Mr. Bush any where he may go.
Hitler is Hitler in any language.
Castro is Castro.

Now as for the Name of the Creator and His Son, their Names tell their story.
The Creator was know to the Hebrew people as YAHWEH. Provbers 30:4
This is the same Name use by Noah and Able as well as Adam and Eve and all the Hebrew prophets that wrote to us. Ps.68:4 the KJV says Jah that should be Yah.

The true Messiah's Hebrew Name also tells His story, because in the Hebrew Language His Name means Yahweh's Salvation.

Each time His Name is written, spoken, heard, or read it still gives glory to His heavenly Father Whose Name alone is YAHWEH.

This is why the religious translator removed His Name and replaced that Name with pagan titles such as Lord and God.

Some may argue that it does not matter what we call Him as long as our heart are right.

The prophets said our hearts are deceitful above all things and very wicked.

So, the question I would ask you is, what glory to our heavenly Father Whose Name is YAHWEH is in a Greek name that has no meaning other than being a Greek God of the pantheon?

Remember too that the Real Hebrew Messiah said He came in His Father's Name in Yahchanan ( John ) 5:43.

By the way this apostles real Hebrew Name means YAHWEH Is Merciful.

The Holy Names of Father Yahweh and His beloved Son was removed over 6823 times from the very Scriptures He inspired to be written.

Now if you can see this as true please read Acts 4:12 with a whole new meaning in mind.

May Holy Spirit that inspired the prophets and apostles of the Real Messiah bless your understanding in your search for truth.


Okieshowedem