Hypothetically; what if you're wrong?

[ShadowRishi]

Now, Christians validate the idea that it's okay that since other's didn't accept the message of Jesus, that they can go to hell for refusing him.


Now I'll bring this hypothetical question to you, Christians:


Suppose that right now, you die of a sudden heart attack. All of sudden, life after death gets very strange: The very first thing you see is the Prophet Muhammad sitting next to Allah, the One True God.

Allah says that he has shown Himself to you many times, and gave you options many times to a Muslim, and that you refused every one of them. Allah says he is most merciful, however, and he will not send you to the lowest of all levels of Hell, but you still must go to Hell to keep justice in the universe.



Seems fairly odd, no? Now, pretend you are a Hindu, and then inplace of Allah and Muhammad, place Yahweh and Jesus. Do you think that a Hindu --one who saved many people's lives, such as Ghandi-- would feel?

How would you feel if you suddenly found out you were wrong? Do you think that should allot you a life in eternal hell forever and ever, amen?

[ShadowRishi]

Judaism or Islam? Or Baha'i Faith? Zoroastrianism?

Same outcome. If won't have hurt you any if you lived a good, charitable Christian life in service of others.

Oh good god, how many Christians live charitable lives?


Islam: You ain't making it to heaven unless you are one exceptional Christian, and even then Allah will only let you into the lowest sky of heaven.
Zoroastrianism: You aren't making it to heaven.
Judaism: Going right to hell.
Baha'i Faith: You probably could make it to heaven in this, in retrospect.


Either way, your "good, charitable Christian life" doesn't account for crap even in Christianity. You have to get 'saved' in order for God to consider letting you into Heaven, if you recall. Actions are irrelevant to salvation.

[MikeH]

Oh good god, how many Christians live charitable lives?

This is a separate issue, but I agree with and share in your dismay. But anyways, there are many Christians who do live charitable lives, so the point still stands whether or not the majority do.

Islam: You ain't making it to heaven unless you are one exceptional Christian, and even then Allah will only let you into the lowest sky of heaven.

But if this were the "right one," you would have no way of knowing where you would end up beforehand anyways, even if you were a muslim. So it does no good to change here on earth.

Zoroastrianism: You aren't making it to heaven.
Judaism: Going right to hell.

The Jewish one is up for debate. Many Jews in the Torah were "saved by their faith in God," which you still would have as a Christian, you just might be punished for the whole worshiping of a man bit. I don't know as much about Zoroastrianism, but I'll try to look it up.

Either way, your "good, charitable Christian life" doesn't account for crap even in Christianity. You have to get 'saved' in order for God to consider letting you into Heaven, if you recall. Actions are irrelevant to salvation.

Right, but that's besides the point. We're assuming that Christianity is wrong in this hypothetical scenario.

[myth-one.com]

Now, Christians validate the idea that it's okay that since other's didn't accept the message of Jesus, that they can go to hell for refusing him.


Now I'll bring this hypothetical question to you, Christians:


Suppose that right now, you die of a sudden heart attack. All of sudden, life after death gets very strange: The very first thing you see is the Prophet Muhammad sitting next to Allah, the One True God.

Allah says that he has shown Himself to you many times, and gave you options many times to a Muslim, and that you refused every one of them. Allah says he is most merciful, however, and he will not send you to the lowest of all levels of Hell, but you still must go to Hell to keep justice in the universe.



Seems fairly odd, no? Now, pretend you are a Hindu, and then inplace of Allah and Muhammad, place Yahweh and Jesus. Do you think that a Hindu --one who saved many people's lives, such as Ghandi-- would feel?

How would you feel if you suddenly found out you were wrong? Do you think that should allot you a life in eternal hell forever and ever, amen?

Do I have some good news for you!

This scenerio will only occur if what you hear from most Christians is correct -- and what their book The Holy Bible supports turns out to be incorrect! Since the scriptures are the "inspired words of God," they will certainly turn out to be the truth about what will happen.

And according to the scriptures, dead believers will be born again as everlasting spiritual bodies, and dead nonbelievers will be resurrected as mortal bodies once again. Every human will be explained the truth and given their chance to accept or reject Jesus as their Savior, including Ghandi. Nonbelievers will then be cast into hell and quickly perish. They will not suffer more than a few seconds. There is no human "life in eternal hell forever and ever" of which you speak mentioned in the scriptures. Those believing that concept cannot also believe their God is love!

[ken1burton]

ShadowRishi.

You look like a Golden Image, Have you by chance met Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? They used to clean furnaces in Babylon.

Jesus rendered to man His Righteousness, So by grace are we saved, Through Faith, and that not of ourselves, Jesus gave us His. So all our righteousness is as filthy rags. We all have Christ’s

God spent a lot of time telling the old Testament prophets what to foretell. Thousands of events, and the day of the Cross God brought them all to pass through Christ, Cute trick to put it all together, then pull it off.

Making an end of sins and brining in everlasting righteousness was part of it. All the dead rose with Christ (Isaiah 26:19) all those in hell left also. Even that Bottomless pit (known as a PIT like SEED) Which opens by sprouting, Their lifting up is as Smoke, Jesus in hell makes Himself many as the Locust. Their power to hurt people are those who do not want to go to heaven at Death.

They are by the Gate, they came out of hell or Great tribulation, and would like to talk to those who do not know the love and Mercy of God.

Jesus paid for all sin, Past and present with His stripes we are healed, Then Jesus took future sins to Golgotha, Died a sinner (last one there ever way) and went into hell where He had to wait for the third day to fulfill the Prophecy in Zechariah 9:11.

He could not leave even though God gave Him the power, As there was no way He could get back into hell, No sin to take upon Himself now, And without dying a sinner, you do not get the keys to death and hell.

So till the third day, they wait on the Lord.

Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

That is END TIMES, Eagles and a CARCASE.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Now if you want a real good one, the day of the Cross is as Three pictures, 1=Egypt, 2=Israel, 3=Assyria. And hold on that dead Lion. God is sending the BEES.

Isaiah 7:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

The Bees in the Carcase of the Lion is Samson’s riddle.

Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Everyone is saved by grace, All who have died are already in Heaven, all who die now will be in Heaven immediately.

Ken.

PS, Don’t take all that Devil, Satan, Lucifer too serious. God calls that which is not, as if it were.

[chibiq]

"You have chosen to ignore this user"


Does anyone have anything credible to comment upon?

When all your portly Buddha figures can heal the sick, calm the storm, raise the dead, and physically resurrect, then they might have more credibility on all that.

Hmm.. ok, well the Qur'an is obviously a ripoff of the Old Testament, which is why I don't believe Islam.

Bible: "And God said, let us make a man in our image, after our likeness." - Genesis 1:26

Qur'an: "Say He is God, the One and Only God, the Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him!" - Qur'an 112:1-4

The Qur'an verse sounds more like a response. Considering it was written millennia after the Bible, and tries to basically say that their God is the same as ours, I put them in the same boat with Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. Of course, this is the same thing the Jews do to us, but that's neither here nor there.

Another example:

Bible: "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED"

Qur'an: "We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us."

Tell me, why would God insist on making that point? Answer: In the Bible, God claims he can't be fatigued. However, Mohammed misinterpreted (as many others do) God resting as him being fatigued. The resting God did was because he finished his work and there was nothing else to do. He was at rest: He was no longer busy, his work was completed for that time.

So, Mohammed, trying to one-up his God (and himself, of course) made the error of showing where he got his "prophecy" from: the Bible.

[ken1burton]

QUR'AN 112:1 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
QUR'AN 112:2 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
QUR'AN 112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
QUR'AN 112:4 And there is none like unto Him.

Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

I wonder? God playing a word game?

What if God left something out? God hides things, The Mysteries of God need to be searched out.

How about this decree: The Lord has said unto Me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee to Israel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

When God calls Jesus His Son, it is assumed He is speaking of being Begotten to God. Assumed! But Scripture shows Jesus begotten to Israel.

Quran 112:4. And there is NONE like unto Him.

NONE (Jesus) declareth.
NONE (Jesus) showeth.
When I called, NONE (Jesus) did answer.
NONE (Jesus) can by any means redeem His brother, nor give God a ransom for Him (ransom for Jesus, He has to die for sins)
There is NONE (Jesus) beside Me.

God had to hide His Face from Jesus in order to fulfill Scripture, So Jesus did not KNOW GOD by one of His Names.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

The Quran seems to say Jesus is not the Son of God. Don’t bet on it, as God has hidden from the Jewish Nation as a whole that Jesus is the Christ, So has He hidden from Islam many things about Jesus, and that He did take away the sin of the world.

The Creation story is the day of the Cross, (Genesis 2:4 in the DAY when the Lord created the Heavens and the Earth) The day as a house built. The day made as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26.

Like a bird building a nest, THEN IT RESTS THERE. Not from being tired. But from it prepared and ready for habitation.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

“AND WAS REFRESHED” is not in Scripture in that verse.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Proverbs 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

Ken