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Jesus confusing words

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What is the deal with Jesus Parables? Are they confusing? Are they straight forward? Are there hidden meanings?

On this thread lets take one parable at a time and examine it. What does everyone think it was supposed to mean? What is the history surrounding it?

For simplicity sake I will start with one. Feel free to insert more as you wish.

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43"When an evil[f] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

Lets go line by line.

43"When an evil[f] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.

- My understanding of this line is when an evil spirit comes out, (or ceases to plague) a man, it is driven away to places it doesn't want to be. Perhaps it is returned to hell or something. Anyway . . .

44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

This is the key line for our discussion. The spirit wishes to return to plague the man. If the man has received the gift from Jesus of driving out the demon, BUT the man still refuses to accept and follow Jesus, then his soul (house) is clean for the moment but it is still empty (unoccupied). Since his soul is still unoccupied, the evil spirit can re-enter and continue to afflict and influence the man.

On the other hand, if the spirit returns to find that the man has accepted Jesus, his teachings, and his position as lord of his body and soul, then the house is now occupied with the spirit of Jesus and the demon can not enter.


We can see this in real life too. Someone receives the story of the Gospel with "I like the community I find in church but I don't want anyone including God to run my life. So I will play the game." Then this person see's absolutely no real life changes. Their desires, behaviors and other aspects of their inner self remain the same.

Now on the other hand I have seen individuals (my own mentor for example) who dive into Jesus and his teachings full force and totally immerse themselves. They develop a "hunger" for God and his words. These individuals are the ones who usually end up splitting way's with their past and seeking a new life. They break ties with certain friends. They change their music inventory. They begin t realize when they are doing things they shouldn't and then they suddenly realize the really don't WANT to do those things as much as before. Those actions arn't as much fun as they were before. In Short, God ruins their life. (Yes I meant R-U-I-N-S, not runs.)

Now they have the opportunity to "re-fill" their lives with Jesus oriented equivalents. Godly friends. Godly Music. Godly actions. And suddenly they have a brand new life, much different than the old.

This transformation happens to many people. Each one unique, but many similarities.
What do others think of this parable? Other Parables?
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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Re: Parables, Know one, know them all.

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ken1burton wrote:Hello, I am new on this forum, But to the internet and the different Christian chat rooms, I have been in them thousands of hours. And most of the chat rooms are debates.

When you consider the Parables. One thing Jesus said needs to be considered:

Mark 4: 13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

The Parables have a connecting link. When that link is found, the Parables fall into place. Or know one, know them all.

Here is what connects them: They are all for the Day of the Cross.

There are some concepts that have to be understood to put the pieces in the right place. I will list them with the references.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

The day of the Cross is made as three pictures, or Doubled twice like Pharaoh’s dream in Genesis 41:32 to ESTABLISH it as God’s Word.

Isaiah 30: 26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Only the day of the Cross will fit Isaiah 30:26 when God heals His people.

The day as 7 days, seen as 3 pictures, first as 4 6-hour periods, seen as 4 beasts with 6-wings in Revelation, Seen as the first 4 days in Genesis, Second picture as 2 12-hour periods seen as 2 witnesses in Revelation, Third as 1 24-hour period seen as 24 Elders in Revelation.

All the Sevens in the Book of Revelation is looking at the day of the cross as these time periods, Often seen as a third of this, and a third of that or one of the three pictures, Together they are as ten days, or He shall have Tribulation 10 days.

So God’s word like as Silver tried in the Fire seven times, is for the day of the Cross, As Leaven hidden in three measures of meal, for the day of the Cross, Building Bigger Barns is Jesus reaching for all mankind, Not just the lost sheep of the House of Israel. The day as 7 time periods is as Silver, the day as 3 pictures is as Gold, Jesus is the Street, seen in the Three pictures so the Streets are paved with Gold.

Isaiah 51: 23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.

First as a Street to those alive on earth, Second as a street to those who have died, Third as a street to be with God in Heaven.

Parable of the Sower, The day as 4 6-hour periods, Sunset to Midnight is the Wayside, Disciples are the seeds which fell, Stones as ones cold to Jesus (Coals of fire as believers in Christ, He kindles coals with His breadth, He breathed on them and said “Receive ye the Holy Ghost.”)

Thorns and Briers seen as the Heathen, Good Ground is noon to sunset as Jesus died for sin, the day as 3 pictures, 30 fold, 60 fold, 100 fold.

Many are called, Few are Chosen, (The Heathen which are CALLED by My Name are the MANY), and the Jewish people are the Chosen.

God got a bit cute on the lost Coin of the ten, He is saying He will get every one of the time periods, not lose one, So He uses the lepers, 10 were cleansed, Only one is seen to give Glory to God, WHERE ARE THE NINE?

Prodical Son, Jesus takes all the Father give Him, Give unto us, Riotous living is to eat and drink with publicans and sinners, Began to be in want, or wants all mankind saved, Not just the Lost sheep of the House of Israel, Begins to feed the Swine or preach to non-Jews. Returns unto the Father, of goes back under Jewish law and offers Himself the day of the Cross.

Like a man who goes into a Far country to receive a Kingdom and return, Jesus takes them all out of hell:

Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;

DOUBLE or the Second picture is seeing Jesus in hell.

The First picture as 4 6-hour periods, or a River divided into four heads, (Garden of Eden)

The day as 7 eyes in the Book of Revelation, the Lamb has seven eyes. “Let tears run down like a river.” So the Second picture seen as a Desert or a pit where in is no water. So God dries up every tear from their eyes, as the Second picture starts.

The day as 4 6-hour periods, Sunset to Midnight, as Old Heaven, Midnight to sunrise as Old Earth. Heaven and earth flee from His Face seen as the Face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings which is Sunrise to noon, New Earth, New Heaven is noon to sunset.

Adding the Cubit makes a person reach angel status, Or loving Greater then to lay down your life for a friend (Greater love has NO MAN than this) Christians lay down their lives in Service even to their enemies.

There are 144 men with Judas, seen as a wall in Revelation 21:17, They have the Cubit or are the Angels given Charge over Jesus. Multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11. Or the 144,000. Sealed in Isaiah 29:10/12 from seeing Jesus, 12,000 of twelve tribes.

They are the GOATS, Seen in Song of Solomon 4:1. The Goats as Hairs, of all the HAIRS of His Head are numbered, God uses who is above as the Head, who is beneath as the Tail, Jesus is the Head of the first 6-hours.

God places all iniquity on Jesus (Isaiah 53:6) So He is all things which offend, So the angels gather all things which offend (Jesus) from one end of heaven to the other, from one end of the earth to the Other. Jesus is also the ELECT which the angels gather.

The Judgment is Sunrise to noon, The Goats as hairs, the Teeth seen as sheep in Song of Solomon 4:2, When they pluck the Hairs from His Face, they separate the Sheep from the Goats.
The Third seal is the Black Horse with Balances. The third angel sounds in Revelation, The Star wormwood falls, Stars are for signs, The Sign is the Judgment falling on Christ, He is made all things cursed, He is even as the Earth.

Amos 5: 7 Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,

I think I made my point, By the way, God made me a porcupine.

There are hundreds of concepts. And they like the Parables are for the day of the Cross, and they all fit together and interlock.

Ken
I am sorry, I don't see the connections. You are picking specific scriptures from different books and trying to link them together. Each scripture, taken in context of where it was written, doesn't correlate with your central theme.
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All Parables are for the day of the Cross.

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Confused.

These are new concepts to many people, Our minds have a overall concept which most new things have to fit within for us to see or grasp. If it is outside our beliefs, And worst, If is shows we have to rethink our concepts they are easier to reject then to search out.

Many Denominations have Dogma which can be seen as wrong, But they do not discard them. Maybe a pride issue, Not wanting to tell the people they were wrong on an issue, Or just not wanting to rock the boat.

I referenced the concepts quite a bit, and there are a lot more references where they came from, Naturally you have to pick and chose which verses you use. There are over 1500 Chapters in Scripture. And anyone can take and debate each and every verse posted.

Jesus did says if they did not know that Parable, How will you know all the Parables, That has some hint that they connect. That a common understanding will reveal what they are. Many would say the Connection is asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it. Seeing without the Holy Spirit you could not see Spiritually what any of them meant.

The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truths, But does not hand them to us on a platter, He expects us to search out what He shows so we know the Truth, Know why it is Truth, and know the answers to those who say it is not truth.

Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount to thousands, But all did not see it. Many today reading the of the Sermon do not see it, or a lot of it. Food takes time to digest. Time to consider. Time to search.

The Best we can do is to try to understand what is being said first, then start to apply it to search in the context it was shown.

Your response was “Opinion”, Could you use Scripture to show the Concept I was speaking on is wrong? If you do not believe in Scripture as evidence, then that should be stated. And the debate part then is adjusted for a unbeliever.

Although I do go over the posts which are already written, I seldom put them into, Who wrote each one, and try to see where each person posting is coming from. That seems to come more as the Concepts are debated, one on one, or in small groups later,

My main concept as this Topic is the Parables, is that they are for the day of the Cross, Every one of them. Can you show, or anyone else as this is an open Forum, That it is not that way, Please use Scripture, it does not have to be pasted here, Just mention the Thought of the verses, I think someone will locate which verse it is.

I use the King James Version, so the wording of those verses in the KJV are familiar to me. I know the Wording in other versions are often different, and often even the Concept is different in the Paraphrase versions.

Ken

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[quote="achilles12604"]What is the deal with Jesus Parables? Are they confusing? Are they straight forward? Are there hidden meanings?

On this thread lets take one parable at a time and examine it. What does everyone think it was supposed to mean? What is the history surrounding it?

For simplicity sake I will start with one. Feel free to insert more as you wish.


Jesus preached the divine knowledge using parables, which very few could understand. When simple Knowledge is being presented we are not able to understand, how can we be same as Lord? You mean Lord also has got this much of intelligence only, who created this big universe? If you are not separate from Lord you need have to put any spiritual effort but you have to put effort in uplifting the people only.

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ken1burton wrote:Jesus did says if they did not know that Parable, How will you know all the Parables, That has some hint that they connect. That a common understanding will reveal what they are. Many would say the Connection is asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it. Seeing without the Holy Spirit you could not see Spiritually what any of them meant.
The Mark 4 parable is not about making connections between parables for the reader, it's a Train the Trainer conference about the people who were supposed to spread the Word around, to speak in parables that mattered to the specific multitudes they were addressing. To a sheepherding culture, don't use a grain parable, use a herding one. To a grain farming culture, don't use a mercantile parable, use one based on crops. Christ here is showing some marketing genius, because he's telling them to know their audience and tailor the message according to the audience (rocky soil, among the thistles, etc.). This parable was meant specifically for evangelizers who would try and get buy-in for the brand.
Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings forgotten. -- George Orwell, 1984

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Jesus preached in parables so that only interested devotees took pain to ask Him the meaning behind those parables and understand the knowledge, all those who only interested in His power like curing and getting bread etc such selfish devotees did not bother to ask further for the explanation so that their foolish rigidity made them go away from the Lord, because they are not really interested in the Lord.

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