Daniel 12:11-12

[placebofactor]

Here are my two favorites, drive you crazy verses in the Bible.

Daniel 12:11-12, “From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1290). Blessed is he that waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (1335).”

Please do me a favor, 1260 days have nothing to do with the above, so please, don't bring it up and try to squeeze 1290 into 1260 plus the 45 days left over from 1335, it doesn't fit.

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?” I'll give you a clue, it was not when Antiochus desecrated the Temple around 164 B.C.

Here's a clue to solving the problem. Using the same formula Daniel used for the 490-day prophecy, you can figure out the rest. Here's his formula. 70 weeks = 490 days. Each day for a year, 490 years. Over two hundred years before Antiochus, Malachi wrote, Malachi 1:10, "I (the LORD) have no pleasure in you (the Jews), neither will I accept an offering at your hand."

Even though the Jews were making Temple sacrifices, the LORD was rejecting them, they were nothing but remembering the good old days. That's it, your thoughts.

[Bible_Student]

It's April 31 A.D, not 33. Jesus was born in October of 4 B.C. two years before Herod the Great died in 2 B.C. He was 30 years old in October of 27 A.D. when he was baptized, . He ministered for 3 1/2 years. Died in April of 31 A.D. I'll get back to you on when the Daily sacrifice was taken away.

Jesus was baptized when he was about 30 years old (Luke 3:21-23).

During his post-baptismal preaching, four annual Jewish Passover feasts are mentioned, the first three being mentioned in John 2:13; 5:1 and 6:4.

The fourth was his death (Matt. 26:2; John 13:1). So Jesus died between 33 and 34 years of age.

Nisan 14 of Jesus' last year of human life was a Friday (John 19:31). The only year among several nearby years in which that Jewish day was a Friday was the year 33 CE.

The prophet Daniel (chapter 9) prophesied that Messiah's death "with nothing for himself" would occur three and a half years after his public appearance, i.e. until half of a “week” of seven years ... the last one of 70. 25 ... there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks. ...
26 “And after the 62 weeks, Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.
“And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.
27 “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.
“And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.”

The last three and a half years (after Messiah's death) of the 70th week of years of the prophecy finished in 36 E.C., supposedly when the first non-Jewish people became part of the congregation (Cornelius and his family), ending the pact with the nation of Israel and starting a new one which included non-Jews.

[placebofactor]

It's April 31 A.D, not 33. Jesus was born in October of 4 B.C. two years before Herod the Great died in 2 B.C. He was 30 years old in October of 27 A.D. when he was baptized, . He ministered for 3 1/2 years. Died in April of 31 A.D. I'll get back to you on when the Daily sacrifice was taken away.

You wrote, Jesus was baptized when he was about 30 years old (Luke 3:21-23).

Correct

You wrote, During his post-baptismal preaching, four annual Jewish Passover feasts are mentioned, the first three being mentioned in John 2:13; 5:1 and 6:4.

Incorrect: Two Passover feasts are mentioned. John 5:1, "After this there was

a feast of the Jews;

and Jesus went to Jerusalem"
Jewish men had to go to the Temple three times a year to celebrate three different feast days: unleavened bread, Passover, and Pentecost. John 5:1 most likely speaks of either Pentecost or Unleavened bread.

You wrote, The fourth was his death (Matt. 26:2; John 13:1). So Jesus died between 33 and 34 years of age.

Incorrect: Jesus never attended that Passover. He was killed the day before.

You wrote, Nisan 14 of Jesus' last year of human life was a Friday (John 19:31). The only year among several nearby years in which that Jewish day was a Friday was the year 33 CE.

Incorrect: Jesus did not die on Passover; he died the day before.

You wrote, The prophet Daniel (chapter 9) prophesied that Messiah's death "with nothing for himself" would occur three and a half years after his public appearance, i.e. until half of a “week” of seven years ... the last one of 70. 25 ... there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks. ...

Not sure what your point is. The prophesy in Daniel is broken down into four periods. 49 years: 62 years and 7 years: But the 7 years is broken down into two periods of 3 1/2 years each. From his baptism until his death was the first 3 1/2 years. So, 3 1/2 years remain. This will end only when Jesus' new covenant has been confirmed. No one has yet confirmed it, but the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 will. Most likely Enoch and Elijah. When they are killed by the antichrist, the seven years will have been confirmed, sealed by Jesus' blood and by the blood of the two Martyrs sent by him.

You wrote, 26 “And after the 62 weeks, Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.

Correct:

You wrote, “And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place.

Correct:

And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.

"Even until the consummation." Israel's problem did not end with Titus destroying the city and Temple. It didn't end when the Catholic church's persecution of the Jews, or the persecutions by the Ottoman, or the Muslims, or Nazi Germany, and not by what's going on today, "Antisemitism is alive and well today. Israel is under attack every day." It will only end when the Lord returns and destroys his enemies and the enemies of his people, Israel.

27 “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week;

Correct, 7 years.

and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

The Temple sacrifices have been rejected by the Lord since Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Ark of the Covenant, and the Mercy seat in 599 B.C., See 2 Kings 24:13, and 2 Chronicles 36:7. Without the Ark, or Mercy seat no Temple sacrifices were valid.

What the Jews had been doing for over 600 years with their Temple sacrifices was for nothing. From Isaiah around 724 B.C. until Malachi, until 70 A.D., no sacrifices were being accepted by the Lord.

Isaiah 1:11, the LORD is speaking to the Jews, "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats."

Malachi 1:10, "I (the LORD) have no pleasure in you (the Jews), neither will I accept an offering from your hand." Malachi wrote this around 408 B.C.

You wrote, would end in the eyes of God because his Son, would be the last blood offering.

Correct: Revelation 13:8, Jesus was, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." The last blood sacrifice for the Jews, and with that sacrifice he fulfilled the law, and said, "It is finished."

You wrote, “And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.”

What Bible are you quoting from? My original post is based on the K.J.J. and no other.

You wrote, The last three and a half years (after Messiah's death) of the 70th week of years of the prophecy finished in 36 E.C.,

Incorrect: Because Jesus was born in October of 4 B.C. baptized at the age of 30 in 27 A.D., and ministered for 3 1/2 years, that = April of 31 A.D.

You wrote, supposedly when the first non-Jewish people became part of the congregation (Cornelius and his family), ending the pact with the nation of Israel and starting a new one which included non-Jews.

I have no idea where you got that idea. Others would say it was the woman at the well, she was a Samaritan, others would say the Roman centurion at the cross when he said, "Truly this was the Son of God." When the last 3 1/2 years has been confirmed, it will be confirmed when a specific event, one the world will be aware of has been fulfilled, leaving no doubt as to its being finished.

Thanks for your comments.

[onewithhim]

Here are my two favorites, drive you crazy verses in the Bible.

Daniel 12:11-12, “From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1290). Blessed is he that waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (1335).”

Please do me a favor, 1260 days have nothing to do with the above, so please, don't bring it up and try to squeeze 1290 into 1260 plus the 45 days left over from 1335, it doesn't fit.

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?” I'll give you a clue, it was not when Antiochus desecrated the Temple around 164 B.C.

Here's a clue to solving the problem. Using the same formula Daniel used for the 490-day prophecy, you can figure out the rest. Here's his formula. 70 weeks = 490 days. Each day for a year, 490 years. Over two hundred years before Antiochus, Malachi wrote, Malachi 1:10, "I (the LORD) have no pleasure in you (the Jews), neither will I accept an offering at your hand."

Even though the Jews were making Temple sacrifices, the LORD was rejecting them, they were nothing but remembering the good old days. That's it, your thoughts.

I believe that the sacrifice was taken away---that is, the sacrifices of animals according to the Law---in 33 AD when Jesus died for our sins.

One problem: From the moment the Ark of the Covenant and Mercy seat were removed from the Holy of Holies by King Nebuchadnezzar, 2 Kings 24:16. From that time forward no sacrifices as required by the law would be received by the LORD. That's the reason the LORD said in both Isaiah around 720 B.C. and Malachi, 1:10, 400 years before the Lord was killed, "I have no pleasure in you (the Jews), neither will I accept an offering at your hand. So every offering the Jews made after 599 B.C. until the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. was for nothing. All it did was satisfy the Priests, and pleased the people, but not the LORD.

The Jews should have known that Jesus was their Messiah, and that he was the end of the law, fulfilling every aspect of the law. And also, their High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. He as the sacrifice, the mercy seat and mediator would present this last sacrifice to his Father, freeing us all from our bondage, that is if we believe by faith in this finished work.

I agree.

[placebofactor]

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?” I'll give you a clue, it was not when Antiochus desecrated the Temple around 164 B.C.

Using the formula Daniel uses in Daniel 9:24, of 70 weeks = 490 days. each day equals one year. Let's carry that over to Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 12:11, From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away," That occurred in 599 B.C. when King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Ark of the Covenant and the Mercy seat. 2 Kings 24:13. No sacrifices the Temple priest made from that time forward, and according to the LORD's instructions for carrying out the sacrifices, were of no value without the Mercy seat, Ark of the Covenant and other precious vessels.

"And the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety day."

Using Daniel's formula, a day = one year, that would be 1290 years. So, what historical event happened 1290 years after 599 B.C., 598 being the first full year?

In 692 A.D. on God's holy mountain, Mt. Moriah, the Holy place David purchased for the Lord's house, an abomination of desolation was SET UP by Israel's enemies on God's holy mountain, we call it the Dome of the Rock. Why did the LORD allow it? From the moment the Jews entered the promised land, they disobeyed the law Jehovah gave them. So, they were put under a curse.

Jeremiah 34:20, "I will even give them (the Jews) into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life: and their dead bodies shall be for meat unto the fowls of the heaven, and to the beast of the earth."

Ezekiel 36:18-19, "I will pour my fury upon them (the Jews) for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols they have polluted it. I will scatter them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: --- I judged them."

But in Ezekiel 36:24, the LORD also promised, "I will take you (the Jews) from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and give you a heart of flesh."

This began on May 14, 1948.

That's the plan the LORD has laid out for the 12 tribes of Israel.

Now the question, Daniel 12:12: "Blessed is he that waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (1335 years). We will use the same formula, a day = one year.

The total of 1290 and 1335 = 2625 years. Take 2625 years from 599 B.C. it brings us to October 10, 2027., possibly the year the Great Tribulation begins, ending 3 1/2 years later on April 7 of 2031 on the Jewish new year, Yom Kippur.

From October of 27 A.D. Jesus was baptized by John at the age of 30. 2000 years later, brings us to October 2027. October 10th, 2027. This begins the Jewish New Year and the first day of Yom Kippur.

Jesus died in April of 31 A.D. 2000 years later brings us to April 2031.

Before you respond, note each year and event concerns Israel, the land, and the Jews, and God's curses and blessings. Each date I mentioned is a well-known historical event that is well documented. Israel is in the land after 1900 years. No longer called Palestine, but Israel as prophesied.

Matthew tells us there would be wars and rumors of wars. Israel was attacked by the Muslim nations one day after they became a nation, on May 15, 1948. Matthew also tells us this generation of Jews will not pass away until all he spoke of is fulfilled, see Matthew 24. The generation born in Israel beginning from May 14, 1948, will be 78 years old, in two more years they will be 80, (one generation;) The year this generation turns 80 will be 2027. A Bible generation.

Israel is surrounded by 4 or 5 million Muslims who hate and despise them, and hell-bent on destroying them. Muslims related to the Jews by blood. Israel has no friends except Christians who pray for them. From Adam's fall, 6029 years have passed. 6000 years + 30 years of, Luke 2:14, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace and goodwill toward men."
From Jesus’ birth to baptism, 30 years of peace and goodwill came to the Jews and there was peace in Rome by the will of God. 6030 years from October 23, 4004 B.C. brings us to October 2027.

This date, October 23, 4004 B.C. has been calculated by three well-known chronologists; Bishop Ussher, Sir Isaac Newton, and John Lightfoot.
The Shekel is Israel's currency, and Hebrew is their language, as prophesied. They have a strong economy and a strong military. In every war beginning in 1948, they have been outnumbered 40 to 1, yet they prevailed, as prophesied.
Your thoughts:

[JehovahsWitness]

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?”

In 33 CE when the Mosaic laws was abolished.

[onewithhim]

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?” I'll give you a clue, it was not when Antiochus desecrated the Temple around 164 B.C.

It was when Jesus died on the stake. He fulfilled the Law, and made sacrifices of animals obsolete.

[placebofactor]

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?”

In 33 CE when the Mosaic laws was abolished.

Sorry, the law was not abolished, it was fulfilled. "The Law, "Thou shall not worship another God, murder, etc." These things have not been abolished.
Because Jesus fulfilled the Law, anyone who believes in his finished work of the cross is no longer under the bondage of the law, but under the wings of the Lord. Another issue with what you said, from the time the daily sacrifice was taken away, and until the last day of the prophecy's fulfillment, it concerns only the Jews, not the church or Gentiles.

The LORD said to Daniel, "Seventy weeks are determined upon your people (the Jews) and upon the holy city, Jerusalem) to finish the transgression."

33 A.D. fulfills nothing: Also 70 A.D. fulfills nothing but Matthew 24:2, "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

The Jews and Jerusalem remain in sin to this day. God's wrath of 3 1/2 years remains unfulfilled. I can't spend much time on this at this moment, get back to you tomorrow. One more question, what about the 1335 years?

[JehovahsWitness]

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?”

In 33 CE when the Mosaic laws was abolished.

Sorry, the law was not abolished...

EPHESIANS 2:15 - King James Version

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

The Jews should have known that Jesus was their Messiah, and that he was the end of the law . ...

[placebofactor]

The question, “When was the daily sacrifice taken away?”

In 33 CE when the Mosaic laws was abolished.

Sorry, the law was not abolished...

EPHESIANS 2:15 - King James Version

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

Concerning the verse you quoted. What the Lord did by his suffering was to remove the binding power of the Jews ceremonial law, the law of commandments contained in ordinances. What was removed was the wall of separation. That which separated the Jews from the Gentiles. By taking these ceremonial laws out of the way, one church was formed, both Jews and Gentiles. The word enmity means hatred. Peace was made between the two. Therefore, Jesus made in himself of the two, one new man, so that both could "reconcile both unto (the Father) in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity (hatred) thereby:"

[JehovahsWitness]

the law was not abolished...

EPHESIANS 2:15 - King James Version

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

Concerning the verse you quoted. {snip}

I dont care,about your explanation the verse says the law was "abolished" ; unless you can make those words go away, the law was abolished".