Does the Bible Actually Say Jesus Still Exists?

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: The Bible says Jesus came back from the dead. And there's a lot about what will happen, as far as Jesus forgiving people and resurrecting them, separating sheep from goats, giving out the rewards, and all that. Does it actually specify that he's still around to do so?

What counts as a lie?

What I'm actually wondering, is if we have a possible case where the vessel of forgiveness is indeed set, by God, as Jesus, but then God kills Jesus at some later point, wipes him out of existence, in order to promise, through Jesus, that everyone can be forgiven, but in reality nobody is forgiven and it doesn't technically count as a lie. I'm not arguing that this is necessarily true, it's a possible case scenario.

Is it possible God did this, because it neatly avoids actually lying while still being able to make a genuine promise, because the part of him that was Jesus meant every word, and then God gets to go back on it? Or is there something in Biblical canon that eliminates this possibility?

Another question I have here is about semantics. I happen to know someone who never lies, but nevertheless is very good at making sure he keeps every letter of his agreements in a way that advantages himself and the other person never would have agreed to if they'd known that would be the result. Then, he always says he is trustworthy. I mean, he is. He keeps the letter of his agreements. Is there a way to describe this behaviour and separate it from the type of trust you'd have for somebody who always keeps their word AND does it in a way that is fair to the other person, even if there's a way to take all and make the other person lose? In my head I'm calling them trustworthy1 (you will get what you expect; he will make sure he keeps the agreement AND is fair) and trustworthy2 (person won't lie, but you will not necessarily get what you expect). Are there better words for these concepts?

Is there a possibility that God is trustworthy1 to his own People, and trustworthy2 to everyone else?

[JehovahsWitness]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

[Capbook]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

[onewithhim]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

The Father is in heaven and He always has been. Jesus "has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1)
Solomon said that God is in heaven, and so did Jesus.
IKings 8: 27,30,32,34,36,39
Matthew 6:9

So Jehovah is not "omnipresent." His Spirit can be, and He uses His Holy Spirit to get done what He wants done.

[Capbook]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

The Father is in heaven and He always has been. Jesus "has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1)
Solomon said that God is in heaven, and so did Jesus.
IKings 8: 27,30,32,34,36,39
Matthew 6:9

So Jehovah is not "omnipresent." His Spirit can be, and He uses His Holy Spirit to get done what He wants done.

If God is not omnipresent, how should God put His hand on the writer of Psalms?


Psa 139:4 Even before I have formed a word with my tongue, you, LORD, know it completely!
Psa 139:5 You encircle me from back to front, placing your hand upon me.
Psa 139:6 Knowledge like this is too amazing for me. It is beyond my reach, and I cannot fathom it.
Psa 139:7 Where can I flee from your spirit? Or where will I run from your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I rise to heaven, there you are! If I lay down with the dead, there you are!
Psa 139:9 If I take wings with the dawn and settle down on the western horizon
Psa 139:10 your hand will guide me there, too, while your right hand keeps a firm grip on me.

[onewithhim]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

The Father is in heaven and He always has been. Jesus "has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1)
Solomon said that God is in heaven, and so did Jesus.
IKings 8: 27,30,32,34,36,39
Matthew 6:9

So Jehovah is not "omnipresent." His Spirit can be, and He uses His Holy Spirit to get done what He wants done.

If God is not omnipresent, how should God put His hand on the writer of Psalms?


Psa 139:4 Even before I have formed a word with my tongue, you, LORD, know it completely!
Psa 139:5 You encircle me from back to front, placing your hand upon me.
Psa 139:6 Knowledge like this is too amazing for me. It is beyond my reach, and I cannot fathom it.
Psa 139:7 Where can I flee from your spirit? Or where will I run from your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I rise to heaven, there you are! If I lay down with the dead, there you are!
Psa 139:9 If I take wings with the dawn and settle down on the western horizon
Psa 139:10 your hand will guide me there, too, while your right hand keeps a firm grip on me.

As I've said before, the Holy Spirit is used by God as similar to His "hands." That is the way He gets things done. He sends out His Holy Spirit and it accomplishes His purpose.

[Capbook]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

The Father is in heaven and He always has been. Jesus "has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1)
Solomon said that God is in heaven, and so did Jesus.
IKings 8: 27,30,32,34,36,39
Matthew 6:9

So Jehovah is not "omnipresent." His Spirit can be, and He uses His Holy Spirit to get done what He wants done.

If God is not omnipresent, how should God put His hand on the writer of Psalms?


Psa 139:4 Even before I have formed a word with my tongue, you, LORD, know it completely!
Psa 139:5 You encircle me from back to front, placing your hand upon me.
Psa 139:6 Knowledge like this is too amazing for me. It is beyond my reach, and I cannot fathom it.
Psa 139:7 Where can I flee from your spirit? Or where will I run from your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I rise to heaven, there you are! If I lay down with the dead, there you are!
Psa 139:9 If I take wings with the dawn and settle down on the western horizon
Psa 139:10 your hand will guide me there, too, while your right hand keeps a firm grip on me.

As I've said before, the Holy Spirit is used by God as similar to His "hands." That is the way He gets things done. He sends out His Holy Spirit and it accomplishes His purpose.

Ok, may I know what is your definition of "force" (Holy Spirit) in the Bible?

[onewithhim]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

The Father is in heaven and He always has been. Jesus "has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1)
Solomon said that God is in heaven, and so did Jesus.
IKings 8: 27,30,32,34,36,39
Matthew 6:9

So Jehovah is not "omnipresent." His Spirit can be, and He uses His Holy Spirit to get done what He wants done.

If God is not omnipresent, how should God put His hand on the writer of Psalms?


Psa 139:4 Even before I have formed a word with my tongue, you, LORD, know it completely!
Psa 139:5 You encircle me from back to front, placing your hand upon me.
Psa 139:6 Knowledge like this is too amazing for me. It is beyond my reach, and I cannot fathom it.
Psa 139:7 Where can I flee from your spirit? Or where will I run from your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I rise to heaven, there you are! If I lay down with the dead, there you are!
Psa 139:9 If I take wings with the dawn and settle down on the western horizon
Psa 139:10 your hand will guide me there, too, while your right hand keeps a firm grip on me.

As I've said before, the Holy Spirit is used by God as similar to His "hands." That is the way He gets things done. He sends out His Holy Spirit and it accomplishes His purpose.

Ok, may I know what is your definition of "force" (Holy Spirit) in the Bible?

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

[Capbook]

WHERE IS JESUS RIGHT NOW?

1 PETER 3:21b, 22
.… the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

The bible does state that Jesus is in heaven. Since he has been given immortality, he could not have died since those words were penned two thousand years ago.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JESUS CHRIST, CONCEPTION & BIRTH, DEATH, and ... RESURRECTION

Could Jesus be everywhere?

Matt 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not literally no, since he has a body albeit a spiritual one. He can however be with his followers by observing and supporting them from his location in heaven.

If we see lexicon definition of "midst"(Mat 18:20) and "with" in Mat 28:20, it would be possible literal presence of Jesus in His Divine nature and not with His human glorified body.
And if Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, then where is the Father?
If the Father is omnipresent (Eph 4:6) and Jesus is with Him, then Jesus too must be omnipresent.

Eph 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV

The Father is in heaven and He always has been. Jesus "has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1)
Solomon said that God is in heaven, and so did Jesus.
IKings 8: 27,30,32,34,36,39
Matthew 6:9

So Jehovah is not "omnipresent." His Spirit can be, and He uses His Holy Spirit to get done what He wants done.

If God is not omnipresent, how should God put His hand on the writer of Psalms?


Psa 139:4 Even before I have formed a word with my tongue, you, LORD, know it completely!
Psa 139:5 You encircle me from back to front, placing your hand upon me.
Psa 139:6 Knowledge like this is too amazing for me. It is beyond my reach, and I cannot fathom it.
Psa 139:7 Where can I flee from your spirit? Or where will I run from your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I rise to heaven, there you are! If I lay down with the dead, there you are!
Psa 139:9 If I take wings with the dawn and settle down on the western horizon
Psa 139:10 your hand will guide me there, too, while your right hand keeps a firm grip on me.

As I've said before, the Holy Spirit is used by God as similar to His "hands." That is the way He gets things done. He sends out His Holy Spirit and it accomplishes His purpose.

Ok, may I know what is your definition of "force" (Holy Spirit) in the Bible?

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

As you interpret the Holy Spirit as force, may I know what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

[JehovahsWitness]

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

... what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

Biblically the holy spirit is God's active force ; it doesnt have a form. Being invisible to the human eye, God has in occassion indicated its presence with something that can ce seen (for example on Penticost 33 , those empowered with holy spirit had flamelike light above their heads, at Jesus baptism it wasn't a flame but a dove).

You can think of it as being like electricity (its not electricity, this is just an illustration). God being like the generator and his spirit* like the electricity. Like electricity or some other force, when applied it has an effect and can be used to animate move or achieve something.

* The bible speaks of it being "holy" when it is used for a special purpose connected with worship.


The source of this infinite power is Almighty God Jehovah Himself.

JOB 36:22
Look! God is exalted in his power; what instructor is like him?

PSALM 147:5
Our Lord is great and is mighty in power; His understanding is beyond measure.

NAHUM 1:3
Jehovah is slow to anger and great in power

JOB 9:4
He is wise in heart and mighty in power. Who can resist him and come off uninjured

[Capbook]

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

... what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

Biblically the holy spirit is God's active force ; it doesnt have a form. Being invisible to the human eye, God has in occassion indicated its presence with something that can ce seen (for example on Penticost 33 , those empowered with holy spirit had flamelike light above their heads, at Jesus baptism it wasn't a flame but a dove).

You can think of it as being like electricity (its not electricity, this is just an illustration). God being like the generator and his spirit* like the electricity. Like electricity or some other force, when applied it has an effect and can be used to animate move or achieve something.

* The bible speaks of it being "holy" when it is used for a special purpose connected with worship.


The source of this infinite power is Almighty God Jehovah Himself.

JOB 36:22
Look! God is exalted in his power; what instructor is like him?

PSALM 147:5
Our Lord is great and is mighty in power; His understanding is beyond measure.

NAHUM 1:3
Jehovah is slow to anger and great in power

JOB 9:4
He is wise in heart and mighty in power. Who can resist him and come off uninjured

What the Spirit's form where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
All that is a definition of person.
I just don't know if you consider your self as a "force" as what you have describe the Holy Spirit.

2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

πρόσωπον prosōpon
Thayer Definition:
1) the face
1a) the front of the human head
1b) countenance, look
1b1) the face so far forth as it is the organ of sight, and by it various movements and changes) the index of the inward thoughts and feelings.