What is the origin and destiny of man?

[Revelations won]

What is the origin and destiny of man?


The title deals with:

Our origin (when we first existed.)


Why are we here in our mortal state?


What is our eternal ultimate destiny?


Let us hear your full and complete answers to the above questions.

[Revelations won]

Dear Onewithhim,

In part you said:

Our origin.
We were created by God as physical humans to live on this planet forever. Fallen man came about because Adam turned against God and didn't obey Him. So that is why we are in our present corrupt state.

Our mortal state
We are in our mortal state because of the disobedience of Adam. "...In Adam all are dying..." (I Corinthians 15:22)

My response:

You seem to totally forget that before the foundations of this earth were even laid, Jesus was foreordained to be a savior and redeemer to atone for our sins if we repent and reconcile us to God.

There is no evidence that Adam and Eve were born on this earth. They appear to have a veil placed over their understanding and they in their innocence similar to a new born and had no understanding of the principals of good or evil. In their innocent state they were similar to little children. They were naked and had NÕ children while in the garden.

We need also to understand that everything God created was according to scripture “VERY GOOD”. This included “the tree of knowledge of good and evil”.
Lucifer not knowing the will of God sought to destroy Adam and Eve by getting them to partake of the fruit. This was perhaps one of the most stupid things he ever did! The fall itself was a marvelous event that set in full operation the need for the foreordained redeemer, the atonement, death and glorious resurrection for which Christ was verily foreordained to be the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world!

When examined in it’s true light it appears that it took mighty faith and courage for Adam to examine his situation of remaining A LONE MAN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN while Eve would be forever cast out.

It was extremely important for him to go with her in order to fulfill the commandment to multiply and replenish the earth.

Are we so gullible to believe that if Adam and Eve did not partaken of the fruit that none of the billions of their posterity would no so partake?

The fall was essential to set in operation the need or repentance, death, atonement and resurrection.

If the fall had not occurred there would be no need for a redeemer, no need for an infinite atonement, no resurrection would be available to anyone!

God’s foreordained plan and foreordained Savior would have returned unto him empty. This would have shown. That a perfect God made a mistake. This potential mistake would have mede him a liar.

Why is it that some set themselves up as self appointed judges and want to forever play this “blame game” pertaining to Adam and Eve?

How is it that some have taken our first parents who’s “eyes were not yet opened to know good from evil” and damn them to hell with no chance to repent and be forgiven?

Last time I checked Jesus the Christ is the Savior of ALL MANKIND!

There is no exception stated anywhere in scripture that Adam and Eve are condemned to hell with no opportunity for repentance and are not to receive the resurrection provided for by Jesus the Christ.

I think it most appropriate here to point out that those who damn and condemn our first parents will also be judged by the same standards judgement they had set for Father Adam and Mother eve.

[myth-one.com]

If we are the spirit sons and daughters of God when and where we born as spirit sons and daughters of God?

That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. We (mankind) are natural physical bodied beings born of the flesh -- not spiritual bodied beings born of the Spirit.

Why are we here in our mortal state?

Because we were born here of the flesh.

My response: Do you accept the fact that God has given us agency to act and not to be acted upon to learn to keep his commandments?

Don't understand the question. We have freedom of choice. We can choose to obey or disobey God's commandments, if that's what you mean.

What is our eternal ultimate destiny?

To become equal unto the angels.

Can you show from scripture that our ultimate destiny is to become like the angels?

I was referring to humans who believe in Jesus.

Writing about humans who believe in Jesus, Luke writes:


Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

When we are born again of the Spirit (God), we will be spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels because that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

[myth-one.com]

There is no exception stated anywhere in scripture that Adam and Eve are condemned to hell with no opportunity for repentance and are not to receive the resurrection provided for by Jesus the Christ.

Adam and Eve will be resurrected like every other deceased human:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)

[1213]

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As Paul further testifies and the spirit of God also testifies that we are indeed spirit children ofGod....

By what is said in the Bible, not all are children of God:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed: that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn’t commit sin, because his seed remains in him, and he can’t sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

And you said previously: "What part of our existence is also co-existent or eternal with God...". Bible tells some are destroyed both soul and body, I think it means not all are eternal with God.

"Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [also translated hell]".
Matt. 10:28

[JehovahsWitness]

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Good.

Peace.

[myth-one.com]

Yes, human's were originally designed to live happily on earth.

The age of the earth is about 4.54 billion years. But Adam and Eve can be traced back to a mere 6,000 years.

And in the creation described in detail in Genesis, Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day of that creation process.

So it appears that Adam and Eve were not even part of the original creation which occurred 4.54 billion years ago.

They would have to be created and designed to live happily on earth in the re-creation of the earth which occurred about 6,000 ago.

Yes, humans were designed to live happily on the earth, nut not in the original creation.

Man was in Plan B.

[Capbook]

Yes, human's were originally designed to live happily on earth.

The age of the earth is about 4.54 billion years. But Adam and Eve can be traced back to a mere 6,000 years.

And in the creation described in detail in Genesis, Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day of that creation process.

So it appears that Adam and Eve were not even part of the original creation which occurred 4.54 billion years ago.

They would have to be created and designed to live happily on earth in the re-creation of the earth which occurred about 6,000 ago.

Yes, humans were designed to live happily on the earth, nut not in the original creation.

Man was in Plan B.

Is Genesis 1:1, 4.54 billion years to you?