When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

[Benson]

Simple concept, simple question. Will you say that to Him to His face?

[Capbook]

Is the assumption of the OP that anyone would be punished for not believing Jesus is God in this life? Is that even Biblical? I doubt it. If it is then I challenge anyone to cite a passage where we are warned that not believing Jesus is God is an offence, or that Jesus or the Father Himself condemns anyone for not believing Jesus is God.

[Replying to Elijah John in post #2]

Jesus said, it is in vain to worship Him, while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Do this include the commandments of man Jesus?

Mark 7:7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

That is a quote from Jehovah, the Father, as found in the Old Testament (that Jesus was quoting).

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

[onewithhim]

Is the assumption of the OP that anyone would be punished for not believing Jesus is God in this life? Is that even Biblical? I doubt it. If it is then I challenge anyone to cite a passage where we are warned that not believing Jesus is God is an offence, or that Jesus or the Father Himself condemns anyone for not believing Jesus is God.

[Replying to Elijah John in post #2]

Jesus said, it is in vain to worship Him, while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Do this include the commandments of man Jesus?

Mark 7:7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

That is a quote from Jehovah, the Father, as found in the Old Testament (that Jesus was quoting).

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

[Capbook]

Is the assumption of the OP that anyone would be punished for not believing Jesus is God in this life? Is that even Biblical? I doubt it. If it is then I challenge anyone to cite a passage where we are warned that not believing Jesus is God is an offence, or that Jesus or the Father Himself condemns anyone for not believing Jesus is God.

[Replying to Elijah John in post #2]

Jesus said, it is in vain to worship Him, while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Do this include the commandments of man Jesus?

Mark 7:7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

That is a quote from Jehovah, the Father, as found in the Old Testament (that Jesus was quoting).

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?

[onewithhim]

Is the assumption of the OP that anyone would be punished for not believing Jesus is God in this life? Is that even Biblical? I doubt it. If it is then I challenge anyone to cite a passage where we are warned that not believing Jesus is God is an offence, or that Jesus or the Father Himself condemns anyone for not believing Jesus is God.

[Replying to Elijah John in post #2]

Jesus said, it is in vain to worship Him, while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Do this include the commandments of man Jesus?

Mark 7:7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

That is a quote from Jehovah, the Father, as found in the Old Testament (that Jesus was quoting).

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?

No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Elijah John in post #2]

Jesus said, it is in vain to worship Him, while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Do this include the commandments of man Jesus?

Mark 7:7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
KJV

That is a quote from Jehovah, the Father, as found in the Old Testament (that Jesus was quoting).

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?

No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.

As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/

[onewithhim]

That is a quote from Jehovah, the Father, as found in the Old Testament (that Jesus was quoting).

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?

No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.

As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/

Yes, I agree.

[Tcg]

Yes, I agree.

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[onewithhim]

Yes, I agree.

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Alright. I understand. Thank you for reminding me.

[Capbook]

Who said "me" in this verse? (Colored red above)
And Jesus did not say He quote it from the Father.

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?

No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.

As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/

Yes, I agree.

Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
As on that link states " when people become JW, they are baptized in the name (your man) Jesus? (Mat 28:18,19)
Why (a man) Jesus included with the 2 Spirits, God and Holy Ghost in your baptism?

[onewithhim]

Jesus was quoting it from the Father. He often said, when quoting a scripture: "It is written." Just as he said to Satan when the Devil was testing him after his sojourn in the wilderness (Luke 4:8). He frequently quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament).

At Mark 7:6,7; Matthew 15:7-9, the scripture that you quoted above, from Mark, Jesus said that "Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" This was a direct quote from the prophet Isaiah in the Hebrew Scriptures, who spoke about Jehovah, the Father.

As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?

Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?

No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.

As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/

Yes, I agree.

Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.

I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."