was Lord Jesus educated?

[cristian_gavrilescu]

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (Luke 4:17-19)

the bible was made for ordinary people, easy to understand, Lord Jesus spoke simple

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. (Matthew 5:37)

how to be smart when you know nothing sure? we know nothing for sure, all of us, so people like to mime intelligence, even they know zero

[Eloi]

(...) i say Lord Jesus never read the old testament, i can't say here why
Lord Jesus knew the law without learning

Well, you are "saying" something wrong.

1) Jesus was the angel who was with Israelites all the time. He knew every detail not only of the history of the people, but also of the contents of the inspired word of God (Exo. 23:20-23).

2) The NT contains a lot of proves that Jesus knew, and knows, what the "Old Testament" says (some in Matthew: Matt. 21:42; 22:29; 23:53-56)

Luk. 24:25 So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe on all the things the prophets spoke! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?� 27 And commencing at Moses and all the Prophets he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.
28 Finally they got close to the village where they were journeying, and he made as if he was journeying on farther. 29 But they used pressure upon him, saying: “Stay with us, because it is toward evening and the day has already declined.� With that he went in to stay with them. 30 And as he was reclining with them at the meal he took the loaf, blessed it, broke it and began to hand it to them. 31 At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; and he disappeared from them. 32 And they said to each other: “Were not our hearts burning as he was speaking to us on the road, as he was fully opening up the Scriptures to us?�

[Eloi]

In the references in Matthew in my last post, it should be Matt. 26:23-56 instead of Matt. 23...

[cristian_gavrilescu]

he simply knew without any study
trust me

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)

[Elijah John]

It seems that Jesus was indeed educated. At least in the fundamentals of Judaism. Historical Jesus scholars often paint him as an illiterate peasant. I understand their reasoning, but I think they are mistaken here. I think they are overlooking Jesus own religious context of Judaism, a culture which even then valued learning, especially Torah education.

They're not overlooking the context of Judaism in first century Palestine, it just doesn't imply what you think it does. Current academic opinion is that about 3% of the Jewish population was literate (meaning that they could do more than sign their name).

I doubt that statistic.

What facts support your doubt? I've done a bit of research on this topic and can find none that do. Perhaps you've found something I've overlooked.


Tcg

My reasoning was contained in the subsequent lines that you omitted from your quote. What facts have you uncovered in your research that suggest (or prove) that Jesus was illiterate?

Do illiterate people read from scrolls?

Some things are indeed fabricated in the Bible, but what makes you think the reading was?

Judaism, like Christianity and Islam are religions of "the Book", as such their devotees pretty much need to be able to read. Religious study is a Mitzvot in Judaism. So it stands to follow that it is not far-fetched that the faithful were indeed able to read. Especially the leaders, and Jesus was a leader and was called "Rabbi".

[Difflugia]

My reasoning was contained in the subsequent lines that you omitted from your quote. What facts have you uncovered in your research that suggest (or prove) that Jesus was illiterate?

I already linked two relevant scholars. Professor Bar-Ilan's article was only linked as an abstract, but the whole thing is available at his faculty page if you want to engage with it.

Do illiterate people read from scrolls?

No, but that's not what we have yet. What we have is a story about Jesus reading from a scroll. If the story's true, then Jesus was literate, but there are other reasons for thinking it's not (see below). If you want to stand on "the Bible says it, TD&D believes it, that settles it," then we can end this part of the discussion. You seemed to be interested in why your assertions are invalid aside from biblical authority, though, so I'll answer your questions.

Some things are indeed fabricated in the Bible, but what makes you think the reading was?

The full story is only in Luke and appears to be a conflation of Mark 1:14-15, 1:21, and 6:2. Luke combined and embellished the synagogue stories into part of Jesus himself announcing the beginning of his ministry and it's focus on "the good news." Luke made the synagogue scene the first thing Jesus did after the wilderness trial, but rather than in Capernaum (as in Mark 1:21), Luke's scene takes place in Nazareth (Mark's "his own country" of 6:2). He selected a quote from the Septuagint's Isaiah that includes a form of ε�αγγελίζω (euangelizo, "bring good news") to match Mark's "and believe the good news" (καὶ πιστε�ετε �ν τῷ ε�αγγελίῳ).

In Mark, the preaching in the synagogue is part of a narrative explaining why those that knew his family didn't believe that he was the Messiah, which might hearken back to a core tradition of the historical Jesus. Luke morphs that story into Jesus' annunciation of his ministry and its ties to the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. It's a great plot device, but none of the other evangelists know anything about it and it fits an obvious redactional process. It didn't happen.

There is also a mundane detail that make Luke's story less likely. Isaiah isn't in the Torah, so it wouldn't be part of a synagogue's Torah reading. Synagogue practice does include a reading from the prophets that relates to the weekly Torah selection known as the haftarah, but Isaiah 61:1-2 isn't included in the haftarot (here's a list). If Jesus stood up to read the haftarah, then he read the wrong verses and nobody seemed to notice. Instead, they muttered about how amazing and wise Jesus was. Again, this makes for a great plot device that matches Luke's MO. Like the census, he added details that offer a bit of immersive verisimilitude, but that fall apart upon detailed examination.

Judaism, like Christianity and Islam are religions of "the Book", as such their devotees pretty much need to be able to read.

Or be read to.

Religious study is a Mitzvot in Judaism. So it stands to follow that it is not far-fetched that the faithful were indeed able to read.

Such conjectural reasoning is fine for developing a hypothesis, but it's then a mistake to treat the hypothesis itself as its own evidence, especially when it's contradicted by actual data (see the article mentioned above).

Especially the leaders, and Jesus was a leader and was called "Rabbi".

But Jesus wasn't a rabbi in the way that you meant it as an occupation earlier ("only rabbis could read"). Jesus was a tradesworker of some sort (usually translated as "carpenter"). His friends calling him "Rabbi" didn't make him one. For all that, maybe they were being ironic, like calling the fat guy "Slim" or naming a Chihuahua "Killer."

[brianbbs67]

Yeshua was most likely a stone mason as builders rarely used wood except for ships.

Also, yes, diffulgia, Pontious could have spoken Hebrew or Aramaic. But, Would not the son of God be equipped for the task?(assuming he is)

[Difflugia]

But, Would not the son of God be equipped for the task?(assuming he is)

Absolutely. That's not a statistical argument, though, which is what Elijah John was making.

[cristian_gavrilescu]

you missing the point, christianity is about how to be right, not smart

[wannabe]

Jesus was educated.
By God.
Otherwise the whole of Christianity falls apart.

[Avoice]

You don't know if he was educated yet call him lord.
What is educated to you? Educated in :what way?