Is the Resurrection a historical event?

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Is the Resurrection a historical event?

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Lets examine the historicity of the Resurrection, the central teaching of Christianity.

The Resurrection in History

Jesus was executed sometime between 30 and 33 AD. The first written account we have of the Resurrection is found in 1 Corinthians written by St. Paul.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epi ... Authorship

"There is consensus among historians and Christian theologians that Paul is the author of the First Epistle to the Corinthians (c. AD 53–54).[3] ( Robert Wall, New Interpreter's Bible Vol. X (Abingdon Press, 2002), p. 373}"

1 Corinthians 15 – Paul

6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters[c] at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died.[d] 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.

As best we can tell, this historically accurate?

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Re: Is the Resurrection a historical event?

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Mary Magdalene certainly saw the resurrected Jesus three days after he died (John 20:13-18) in 33 A.D. In John 20:18, particularly, she said: "I have seen the Lord."

Jesus disciples saw him as well ON THE SAME DAY (John 20:19, 20).

His resurrection was reported by all gospels (e.g., Matthew 28:7-9).

Not because the gospels were written later than 33 A. D. doesn't mean they did not happen and that the Apostles didn't see him alive and, therefore, resurrected, obviously.

The early Church Fathers considered the gospels as canonical and, therefore, historical.

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polonius wrote:
James, who was a new member of the disciples, may have had a strong family resemblance to Jesus, and some may have thought that he was the "risen" Jesus.
In fact there may be a lot in this, since the "risen" Jesus wasn't readily identified. James may have spoken like Jesus and for some it might have felt that Jesus was back with them. It is a very small matter to take this acceptance of having Jesus back as indicative of resurrection. Gods were two a penny in those days, and so probably were miracles.

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elijahpne wrote:

Mary Magdalene certainly saw the resurrected Jesus three days after he died

And who saw Mary Magdalene? How reliable is the report of the report of her words?

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Not because the gospels were written later than 33 A. D. doesn't mean they did not happen and that the Apostles didn't see him alive and, therefore, resurrected, obviously.

The early Church Fathers considered the gospels as canonical and, therefore, historical.

Anything COULD have happened but it is more reasonable to assume some metaphorical meaning than an actual corpse uplift. The Church Fathers weren't entirely impartial - their position and power depended on a risen God.

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elijahpne wrote: [Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Mary Magdalene certainly saw the resurrected Jesus three days after he died (John 20:13-18) in 33 A.D. In John 20:18, particularly, she said: "I have seen the Lord."

RESPONSE:This claim is found in the gospel we call John's. It was written 50 years after the event to make converts from Judaism.

Jesus disciples saw him as well ON THE SAME DAY (John 20:19, 20).

His resurrection was reported by all gospels (e.g., Matthew 28:7-9).

RESPONSE: Did, perchance, the Gospel writers, who were not witnesses themselves, use a common source such as Mark;s gospel (who also wasn't a witness)?

Not because the gospels were written later than 33 A. D. doesn't mean they did not happen and that the Apostles didn't see him alive and, therefore, resurrected, obviously.

RESPONSE: But it clearly doesn't substantiate the events in question.For example, do all four Gospels agree on the day Jesus was crucified?

The early Church Fathers considered the gospels as canonical and, therefore, historical.
RESPONSE: They also believed that the sun revolved around the earth, and among many other contradictions, even the day on which Jesus was crucified.

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