Did the pharisees

[WPG12]

Ifollow the commandments?

I was watching a news show where a rabbi was being interviewed, he was asked if he wears linen and wool at the same time. Referencing deuteronomy 22:11.

The rabbi said no, he would never wear wool and linen mingled together.

When asked why God won't allow it, his answer was he didn't know, and it wasn't our business to understand just to obey.

Did they follow the commandments then? And do they still today?

[bjs]

[Replying to WPG12]

Why do you say this? In context Paul was almost certainly referring to his own physical body, along with the general weakness of humanity.

Can you justify your claim that he was not talking about his own body?

What do you think he was talking about, and what in the context of the passage supports your position?

[bjs]

[Replying to post 4 by showme]

Romans 7:25 says, "Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."

Hypocrisy is defined as the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Paul talks about his desire for right behavior, but also his own moral weakness. There is no pretense. He freely admits his own weakness. If we use the normal definition of hypocrisy then Paul's statement is the literal opposite of hypocrisy.

What do you think hypocrisy means? How have you come to your conclusion?

Please, no lengthy rants. Can you show how this specific statement reveals hypocrisy?

[WPG12]

[Replying to post 11 by bjs]


Paul always spoke of the spiritual body he was brought into. Not his own carnal body.


Why would you see it as his carnal body?

Like he said, we are all members of one body. That is the body he refers to.

[WPG12]

Ok, so it seems a simple yes they did or no they didn't can't be given, maybe i should try a different approach.

What does this mean?
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exodus 20:7 KJV

Do we do it, do we understand it. Is what we are told it means correct

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 11 by bjs]

Paul always spoke of the spiritual body he was brought into. Not his own carnal body.

Why would you see it as his carnal body?

In First Corinthians, Paul wrote that there are two type of bodies:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

These bodies are different and unique:

There are also celestial (heavenly) bodies, and bodies terrestrial (earthly): but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

These bodies are separate, and come in two stages for believers. The natural body comes first and is then followed by the spiritual body:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

The natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures! All men are born as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again as spiritual bodies when Jesus returns!

Regarding the resurrection of deceased believers, Paul writes:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (I Corinthians 15:42-45)

The Christian body that is sown is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.

At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.

Clearly, Paul understands that he and all mankind (including Jesus) are physical, natural, mortal bodies.

Like he said, we are all members of one body. That is the body he refers to.

Paul is refering to Christians (the Church) as one body in Christ in I Corinthians 12:12:

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. (I Corinthians 12:12)

[showme]

[Replying to post 4 by showme]

Romans 7:25 says, "Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."

Hypocrisy is defined as the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Paul talks about his desire for right behavior, but also his own moral weakness. There is no pretense. He freely admits his own weakness. If we use the normal definition of hypocrisy then Paul's statement is the literal opposite of hypocrisy.

What do you think hypocrisy means? How have you come to your conclusion?

Please, no lengthy rants. Can you show how this specific statement reveals hypocrisy?

Keeping the law with one's mind, yet keeping the law of sin with their body, is a bit off the rails. Sin starts with the mind and in the heart. With a clean heart & mind, one has clean flesh. Paul did not keep the Law with his mind, nor with his flesh. He was a slave to sin, as are his close followers. He, like the pope, argues that it is the evil in his heart which did the sin, and his accusers are of the devil. Well it is true that both were and are apparently possessed by demon spirits, and from that point of view, he could try and blame the demons/evil inside of him. Of course, if one resists the demons, they will flee. Hypocrisy is when what comes out of your mouth, which starts in the heart & mind, does not match the actions of your flesh. An apparent problem with Paul and his followers.

[bjs]

Hypocrisy is when what comes out of your mouth, which starts in the heart & mind, does not match the actions of your flesh.

What came out of Paul’s mouth was “in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.�

And “I am the chief of sinners.� (1 Timothy 1:15)

So he was a sinner who freely admitted that he was a sinner.

If anyone claims to be without sin, and the sins, then that would be hypocrisy. What Paul did is the exact opposite of hypocrisy.

Where are you getting the charge of hypocrisy from?

[brianbbs67]

I would say , at some point, you have to move beyond your sinful nature. Its a temporary excuse, at best.

[showme]

Hypocrisy is when what comes out of your mouth, which starts in the heart & mind, does not match the actions of your flesh.

What came out of Paul’s mouth was “in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.�

And “I am the chief of sinners.� (1 Timothy 1:15)

So he was a sinner who freely admitted that he was a sinner.

If anyone claims to be without sin, and the sins, then that would be hypocrisy. What Paul did is the exact opposite of hypocrisy.

Where are you getting the charge of hypocrisy from?

The hypocrisy is that Paul, with his mouth, says he keeps the Law with his mind. He neither keeps it with his mind nor his flesh. Paul, with his mouth says the Law has been nailed to the cross, and therefore, why should he keep it with his mind?

Listen, you have been spoofed by the father of lies favorite son, the false prophet Paul. That would put you among the "many", strolling down the path to "destruction". As for Paul and his followers "sinning", well 1 John 3:8 says it best, "the one who practices sin is of the devil".

As for "being without sin", well try the path of "Repent", and seek the kingdom of heaven and "His righteousness". This is the "end of the age", and the "wicked"/lawless/sinners, are looking at drinking from the cup of God's wrath, and being gathered for the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:42). You have either stumbled over the stumbling blocks, or have become a purveyor of stumbling blocks. A major "stumbling block" would be Peter (Matthew 16:23), and his heir the pope (Isaiah 22:15-25). It would be better for those bring stumbling blocks to not have been born (Matthew 18:7-8)

[WPG12]

[Replying to myth-one.com]

Of course he wrote that their is a natural body, and a spiritual body. At the same time this is a spiritual thing, that natural body are those Christian's who do not think in spiritual terms, they think in carnal terms, they see Paul talking about his own physical body. Their is a spiritual body also, that thinks in spiritual terms, they see Paul talking about a spiritual body always, and they understand it.


I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
Isaiah 65:1 KJV

But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Romans 10:20‭-‬21 KJV