JWs and perhaps some other groups teach that Jesus before his incarnation was Michael the Archangel.
If so, was there no Michael while Jesus was incarnate on earth?
And after Jesus ascension, when Jesus shed his incarnate body, (did he?) what happened?
Did he become Michael again?
Is it Michael who sits in Heaven at the right hand of the Father?
The pre-incarnate Jesus, Michael.
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Elijah John
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The pre-incarnate Jesus, Michael.
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: The pre-incarnate Jesus, Michael.
Post #11I believe they are separate beings. According to Isrealite tradition and the Talmud, Mi Kah El, was a lower Malak(messenger, angel), who stood up in the heavenly host when the adversary (satan) said he would make his throne up high and be "like unto God". The lower angel arose and led the driving out of ha'satan(high adversary) and his supporters. He(the champion malak/angel) was renamed, by God, Mikael. Which means like unto God.Elijah John wrote: JWs and perhaps some other groups teach that Jesus before his incarnation was Michael the Archangel.
If so, was there no Michael while Jesus was incarnate on earth?
And after Jesus ascension, when Jesus shed his incarnate body, (did he?) what happened?
Did he become Michael again?
Is it Michael who sits in Heaven at the right hand of the Father?
Although, I agree that God likes renaming people by their actions. He names Himself by His actions. When He judges He is Elohim, when He comforts, Jehovah. etc, etc
As to the rest of your questions, they are immaterial as the first I don't ascribe too.
I would add, just because people believe strongly doesn't mean they are correct or I am correct 100%. I am open to adjusting my personal doctrine, if someone can show and prove another to me. That doesn't happen often, though.
