Anti refugee rhetoric is either hate or cowardice.

[DanieltheDragon]

Given the multiple refugee crises arising in the past few years. Millions of refugee immigrants have been displaced. Given their vulnerability to exploitation and fear of returning home lest they risk death. The rhetoric that follows against them is illogical and unreasonable given the statistics. Unless you account for fear and hate. If one hates brown people or people of another religion then it makes perfect sense to discriminate against the meek and helpless. There is a motive. Same with fear and they both feed into each other.

Is there an unconsidered explanation?

What good reasons other than hate and cowardice do we have to let refugees die?

[marco]

Enculturation naturally takes over in the long run. It might be 3 generation before real assimilation occurs. The other choice seems like it will lead to a real increase in resentment instability and terrorism in the long term.

I'm afraid that's the failed theory in multiculturalism. In Europe, at any rate, Muslims tend to live in their own communities and build mosques; they want their own schools and universities. From these communities come most terrorists, which is not to say that ALL Muslims are terrorists, but you need only a handful in a community to cause instability. Some customs are antagonistic to cohesion and assimilation: daughters have been killed - and are killed -if they associate with people outside of their religion. In some areas apostates are sentenced to death but in general it is very hard for Muslims to leave Islam, making assimilation hard - or one sided, namely assimilation INTO Islam.

Holland set off with the best of Samaritan intentions, offering Muslims money to help them integrate. It didn't happen. The birthrate among Muslims is much higher and eventually some European countries will have Muslim majorities and Sharia Law will probably operate. Western people would obviously be opposed to their women wandering around in burqas, concealed from the world of men. The boast here in Britain is that St. Paul's will become a mosque, as happened with the Hagia Sophia in Turkey; and eventually the Vatican in Rome will be Islamized. This is not too far fetched if we examine what is happening now in Belgium and France.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It is ironic that people fleeing tough Muslim states try to set up similar conditions in their host countries. The most aggressive types tend to be young men.

As for your point that women and children are the main body of refugees - you'd think so, but that is not the case. The vast majority of the millions moving across Europe are men - mostly young, seeking a new life, and seeking it aggressively. At the notorious "Jungle" camp in Calais most were young men. Women and children were often left behind.

The problem is hugely complex and not one to be solved by armchair philanthropy - alas!

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 11 by marco]

I was talking about American immigration of refugees with regard to women and children. We are not taking any men for the most part unless they are part of a family. American Muslims are already very well intergrated within our society. Hence there is a path for new immigrants to follow.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 10 by DanieltheDragon]

I hate the ideology not the people. The only way to love a Muslim is to hate the ideology that has destroyed them. A true friend is the one who tells you what you don't want to hear.

Don't you think fear and cowardice is appropriate when people suggest massive change? I just don't think you are living the life of someone suffering from your suggestions.

It might seem odd to you but I think mostly those that promote more refugee intakes are full of jealousy and envy and want to destroy the way of life they enjoy. The statement might not apply to you even if it is generally true. I rarely see people admitting to it.

At least consider that if you can see fear and cowardice I might also be able to see envy, jealousy and also malice.

[WinePusher]

This is an odd statement considering you openly admitted to hating Muslims.

Wootah openly admitted to hating terrorists, not all Muslims. What, you think all terrorists and Muslims are the one in the same? You think that if someone hates terrorists they also hate Muslims? Is it because you can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a Muslim? How "hateful" and "cowardly."

So I don't see how it is jealousy or envy that gets people to see it that way. What would I be jealous of anyways? This statement doesn't make sense.

Your OP doesn't make any sense. Very bad and incomprehensible writing. Next time you're on Khan academy trying to learn some high school biology facts, try checking out their videos on how to write properly.

[marco]

[Replying to post 11 by marco]

I was talking about American immigration of refugees with regard to women and children. We are not taking any men for the most part unless they are part of a family. American Muslims are already very well integrated within our society. Hence there is a path for new immigrants to follow.

Then America is blessed. All the same it does no harm to learn from our European experience. There are plenty of enthusiastic males keen to perform self immolation in what they see as the home of Satan. One of the UK's thriving industries seems to be the training and export of jihadists who take advantage of the benefits of free speech here.

Or perhaps we can learn from America how, exactly, integration has been successfully achieved.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 11 by marco]

I was talking about American immigration of refugees with regard to women and children. We are not taking any men for the most part unless they are part of a family. American Muslims are already very well integrated within our society. Hence there is a path for new immigrants to follow.

Then America is blessed. All the same it does no harm to learn from our European experience. There are plenty of enthusiastic males keen to perform self immolation in what they see as the home of Satan. One of the UK's thriving industries seems to be the training and export of jihadists who take advantage of the benefits of free speech here.

Or perhaps we can learn from America how, exactly, integration has been successfully achieved.

Probably a bit of both, however each situation France Germany the UK and America have their own unique issues what works in one place might not translate. I certainly don't think we are doing enough to help alleviate issues in Europe. One notable difference is the amount of space we have. Our greatest asset to accomodating refugees is not our economy but the shear amount of land we have per capita.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 10 by DanieltheDragon]

I hate the ideology not the people. The only way to love a Muslim is to hate the ideology that has destroyed them. A true friend is the one who tells you what you don't want to hear.

I ain't judging at least we are just being honest right? Some people's fears and hate are justified others might not be.

Don't you think fear and cowardice is appropriate when people suggest massive change? I just don't think you are living the life of someone suffering from your suggestions

Specifically how would you suffer from the intake of refugees in our country? Traditionally Americans have massively benefited from such intakes.

It might seem odd to you but I think mostly those that promote more refugee intakes are full of jealousy and envy and want to destroy the way of life they enjoy. The statement might not apply to you even if it is generally true. I rarely see people admitting to it.

It seems odd because, you have yet to connect the dots. Please illuminate specifically how jealousy and envy apply? Who is jealous of what? Why do they want to destroy their way of life?

At least consider that if you can see fear and cowardice I might also be able to see envy, jealousy and also malice.

Please feel free to make your case. I see that you see jealously and envy but you are not explaining why you see jealousy and envy just that you see it.

[Kenisaw]

Given the multiple refugee crises arising in the past few years. Millions of refugee immigrants have been displaced. Given their vulnerability to exploitation and fear of returning home lest they risk death. The rhetoric that follows against them is illogical and unreasonable given the statistics. Unless you account for fear and hate. If one hates brown people or people of another religion then it makes perfect sense to discriminate against the meek and helpless. There is a motive. Same with fear and they both feed into each other.

Is there an unconsidered explanation?

What good reasons other than hate and cowardice do we have to let refugees die?

Most of the refugees that have hit Europe the last couple of years have been predominately young males, and NOT from Syria. They are economic, not political or religious, refugees.

I completely understand why an Eretrean or Ethiopian or Libyan would want to get out of their country and into a nation that has a better economy and social system. They've little hope of being an agent of change in their own country, and the grass is always greener somewhere else.

It's a tragedy that refugees die, but let's not pretend that they wouldn't have already died in larger numbers in their garbage can of a country they came from. They often swamp the available resources that a host nation has for taking care of them, and they sometimes refuse to do what they are told or cooperate with the authorities. Marco touched on many other points I would make here, but the point is you are talking about hundreds of thousands of people in a transitory state in areas that aren't equipped to handle them. Of course people are going to die.

Germany's population went from 80.6 million to almost 82 million people, the increase being mostly young unskilled males. Why wouldn't people freak out over that large an increase in one years time of uneducated people who don't know the culture or speak the language. Pardon me for being blunt, but one would have to be nuts to think that should just be OK with everyone...

Of course, I don't even know what you might be referring to specifically. It's a rather blanket question you ask, and it's hard to answer when there are so many different situations. If you meant something different, please elaborate.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 18 by Kenisaw]

I forget that this is a global forum sometimes. I was referring mostly specifically to American rhetoric. With regard to Europe I have mentioned multiple times that i get their situation is different.

[Kenisaw]

[Replying to post 18 by Kenisaw]

I forget that this is a global forum sometimes. I was referring mostly specifically to American rhetoric. With regard to Europe I have mentioned multiple times that i get their situation is different.

No worries. You are in Charlotte and I am in St Louis, but I wanted to be sure we were talking about the same thing (and I didn't ask that until after I commented, which is rather stupid of me).

So as it relates to "American rhetoric", how exactly is America causing refugees to die?

If we as a country do not let refugees in, that is our right as a nation state I am sure you would agree. I think you would also agree that the majority of the current refugees that are getting all the attention these days are ones from the general area of the Middle East. The numbers clearly show that the majority of these refugees are young males, and the vast majority of them are Muslim. Many have no documentation of who they are or where they have been. I think you would also agree that the most number of terrorist attacks in the U.S. have been conducted by young men who were practicing Islam. So I think you can see why there is concern for letting these refugees into the U.S.