When is it time to stop hating?

[Willum]

I work with a German and he is terribly self-conscious about Nazi-ism. He is essentially persecuted for the most popularized event in what was not human genocide, as the victims, survived, as opposed to successful events, like Kurds, and Palestine, Native Americans, etc..

He frequently points out that the majority of Germany was under their own terror, fighting a war they didn't want, conducting atrocities, the majority was unaware of, or at least had their own necks to worry about during this crisis.

Nazi's at their peak, only controlled 14% of the German population.
There are incredibly few who participated or endorsed the vile practices of the regime, and still fewer who advocate genocide.

For how long must we keep stereotyping Germans by immediately associating them with Nazi's?
Should European's immediately associate the US with the SUCCESSFUL genocide of it's native peoples?

Should China immediately associate it's neighbor, the Russian provinces with their SUCCESSFUL elimination of another 4 million Jewish AND 40 million of the rest of us?

When does it end? How long do we vilify Nebuchadnezzar and Ptolemy II?

When do you stop the stereotype and the hatred?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 1 by Willum]

I'd basically agree. I think any one of our nations could head down that path and any one of us individuals would have participated.

I know my friends and I will still joke about the French rolling over as well. Which is quite inaccurate in WW2 and also we have much to be thankful of in terms of the French/Gauls defending Europe from Muslim invasion.

Anyway it's a mixed bag when we consider nations and juvenile on my part when or if I do make such a joke.

For me the hate will end when Jesus returns.

But if we can individually recognise how sinful we are and take active steps to help others that would help.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 5 by Bust Nak]

BN
That is encouraging, but US airways history channels are plagued (alright ~two cable channels) with all-German hate several times a day.

Broadcast television is both a visual and commercial medium. In order to pay the people who run the network they must present compelling video. War videos are much more compelling than travelogues of cruises down the Reign, even though one can watch them ad nauseum on the travel channel. If one chooses to get all worked up over historical depictions of war, it would be advisable for them to avoid watching them. It's not like TV is A Clockwork Orange, after all. For those of us who like to study history, sanitizing it is no less propaganda than is so called "hate speech".

[Monta]

[Replying to post 12 by bluethread]


Willum wrote:

[Replying to post 5 by Bust Nak]

BN
That is encouraging, but US airways history channels are plagued (alright ~two cable channels) with all-German hate several times a day.//

A diplomat friend of mine says that German telvison have holocaust on children's programs all day. This is disgusting. If we are to have that we should also have all the other wars and traumas throughut the history and our children will become utterly depresed.
Bolsevism mainly ran by Jews who also want to keep holocaust alive were responsible for 20ml Russians killed, then all the Ottoman wars, Ameriacan wars etc etc....where do we stop?
As a human race we need to turn a new leaf*

[catnip]

I work with a German and he is terribly self-conscious about Nazi-ism. He is essentially persecuted for the most popularized event in what was not human genocide, as the victims, survived, as opposed to successful events, like Kurds, and Palestine, Native Americans, etc..

He frequently points out that the majority of Germany was under their own terror, fighting a war they didn't want, conducting atrocities, the majority was unaware of, or at least had their own necks to worry about during this crisis.

Nazi's at their peak, only controlled 14% of the German population.
There are incredibly few who participated or endorsed the vile practices of the regime, and still fewer who advocate genocide.

For how long must we keep stereotyping Germans by immediately associating them with Nazi's?
Should European's immediately associate the US with the SUCCESSFUL genocide of it's native peoples?

Should China immediately associate it's neighbor, the Russian provinces with their SUCCESSFUL elimination of another 4 million Jewish AND 40 million of the rest of us?

When does it end? How long do we vilify Nebuchadnezzar and Ptolemy II?

When do you stop the stereotype and the hatred?

Amazing. Most of the people I know like the Germans. In fact, a large percentage of the people I know are of German decent.

What I think is important is that we do need to remember that tyrants can gain power anywhere in the world and that atrocities occur in an atmosphere of fear and hate. Watch out for dictators and the tendency to domination.

I'm worried about the U.S. with the current conspiracy fever that is dominating our politics.

[bluethread]

Bolsevism mainly ran by Jews who also want to keep holocaust alive were responsible for 20ml Russians killed, then all the Ottoman wars, Ameriacan wars etc etc....where do we stop?
As a human race we need to turn a new leaf*

Speaking of stopping the hating. It is true that, due to the pogroms of the Tsar, many Jews sided with the Bolsheviks in the revolution and those that embraced socialism were rewarded as were other groups. However, the pogroms continued in the Ukraine. The Bolshevik leaders attempted to stop them, but they were not able to control the rank and file troops. According to the article on Jewish Bolshevism in Wiki, at it's height in 1922, Jews made up a little over 6% of the Bolshevik party. However, "Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions." During WWI, the argument that Bolshevism was primarily Jewish was propagated in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fraudulent document that purported to describe a secret Jewish conspiracy aimed at world domination." The Nazi's world wide used that propaganda document to foster the idea of a Jewish conspiracy. According to historian James Webb, that it is rare to find a Jewish conspiracy theory that is not rooted in the "white" Russians who fostered this ideology.

[Cephus]

Anyone who stereotypes modern Germans as Nazis is an idiot. How long should people remain idiots? Not long. How long will they? So long as there are idiots.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 15 by bluethread]

"According to the article on Jewish Bolshevism in Wiki, at it's height in 1922, Jews made up a little over 6% of the Bolshevik party. However, "Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions." During WWI, the argument that Bolshevism was primarily Jewish was propagated in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fraudulent document that purported to describe a secret Jewish conspiracy aimed at world domination."

Maybe maybe not. I read parts of Soleznitsin's 200 years togather.

Jews have their crazies like the rest of us. Some do believe they are chosen and their duty is to bring the world under their rule.

[bluethread]

Jews have their crazies like the rest of us. Some do believe they are chosen and their duty is to bring the world under their rule.

That is my point. Defaming a large population based on the actions of a few crazies is hardly justified. If one wishes to talk about a few crazy Jews, one needs to say that. That article shows that the Bolshevik revolution was not some Jewish conspiracy. It was a populist movement that initially included less than 500 Jews out of tens of thousands and, at the height of their involvement, less than 6% of the Bolsheviks were Jewish. They were then purged by Stalin so he could make nice with Germany.

[Cephus]

[Replying to post 15 by bluethread]

"According to the article on Jewish Bolshevism in Wiki, at it's height in 1922, Jews made up a little over 6% of the Bolshevik party. However, "Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions." During WWI, the argument that Bolshevism was primarily Jewish was propagated in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fraudulent document that purported to describe a secret Jewish conspiracy aimed at world domination."

Maybe maybe not. I read parts of Soleznitsin's 200 years togather.

Jews have their crazies like the rest of us. Some do believe they are chosen and their duty is to bring the world under their rule.

Which is really a problem with this kind of identity politics. People who believe they are better than others, just because of what arbitrary group they happen to belong to. Jews are better than gentiles. Catholics are better than protestants. Whites are better than blacks. If you group yourself based on arbitrary characteristics, you have problems. If everyone would just be satisfied to be people, we could get rid of these problems.

[bluethread]

Which is really a problem with this kind of identity politics. People who believe they are better than others, just because of what arbitrary group they happen to belong to. Jews are better than gentiles. Catholics are better than protestants. Whites are better than blacks. If you group yourself based on arbitrary characteristics, you have problems. If everyone would just be satisfied to be people, we could get rid of these problems.

I agree that one group should not see themselves as inherently better than any other group. HaTorah makes that point. Moshe' has said, (Deut. 9:4) "After the LORD your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The LORD has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.� No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is going to drive them out before you." However, not only do I think it is not wrong to recognize differences and have preferences, I think it is inevitable. The real solution is to be accurate with one's accusations. I have no problem with faulting Jewish Bolshevism, but holding ALL Jews responsible for ALL of the actions of ALL Bolsheviks is not appropriate.