For the first time since the birth of Christianity, Christianity is dead in Palestine.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /77503936/
Christianity, Islam and Judaism lived peacefully in Palestine for most of the last 2000 years, excepting when Muslims and Jews banded together to repulse European Christians in the Crusades.
Well, good bye Christianity; it was lost in Iraq, the longest continuously existing sect of Christianity after the US invasion. Now the first successful genocide in Palestine, the death of it's Christianity.
I think this is a roadmap to what is next.
http://www.tlaxcala-int.org/upload/gal_6222.jpg
Is genocide OK if God is on the side of the perpetrator? The Elimination of North and South American Indians? Palestinian Christians? Palestinians?
(FYI Genocide refers to peoples, culture and religious groups, etc..)
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Post #11
Because the bible is a Christian document not Jewish....Monta wrote:Why do you cite Christians alone when the biggest part of the Bible was written by Jews?Donray wrote: I guess most Christians are saying that the bible is not true.
They want to pretend that the god of the OT and the god of the NT are different. Remember Christians that your god does not change over time. Your God is a vindictive killer according to the OT.
Are you people saying that nothing in the OT is true? Or do you want to pick and choose what want to be true?
Also, Jesus said all the OT laws are not valid any more.,
Post #12
[Replying to post 11 by Donray]
Matt 5:17-20
all OT laws are as valid as ever. which aspect of OT laws that you think is invalid?
and you're very right on "Christian God doesnt change over time". HE never changes, HE who created the entire physical and spiritual realm, never changes. HE is the GOD who:
1. Killed egyptian first born (humans' and beasts') during the final plague
2. ordered Saul to commit genocide against the amalekites (not sparing elderly, women, pregnant women, children and babies, oh and that includes their cattle and animals too)
3. ordered an angel to massacre 60K Israelites during one of King David's offense
4. Personally massacred 120K Assyrians when they sieged the Israelites
5. Dethroned Saul when he spared Amalekites' sheep and cattle
there wont be enough space to write down all the massacrings done or ordered by GOD, HE who creates and destroys according to HIS laws.
Why are those things horrible? GOD never said "dont kill", english ruins everything. look in the original language, the "activity" that GOD forbids is unlawful killing. And who decides if a killing is lawful or not? you guessed it, GOD HIMSELF. sounds unilateral? why not? HE's the unchallenged being in the entire planes of existence, in fact, HE created the entire planes of existence
Matt 5:17-20
all OT laws are as valid as ever. which aspect of OT laws that you think is invalid?
and you're very right on "Christian God doesnt change over time". HE never changes, HE who created the entire physical and spiritual realm, never changes. HE is the GOD who:
1. Killed egyptian first born (humans' and beasts') during the final plague
2. ordered Saul to commit genocide against the amalekites (not sparing elderly, women, pregnant women, children and babies, oh and that includes their cattle and animals too)
3. ordered an angel to massacre 60K Israelites during one of King David's offense
4. Personally massacred 120K Assyrians when they sieged the Israelites
5. Dethroned Saul when he spared Amalekites' sheep and cattle
there wont be enough space to write down all the massacrings done or ordered by GOD, HE who creates and destroys according to HIS laws.
Why are those things horrible? GOD never said "dont kill", english ruins everything. look in the original language, the "activity" that GOD forbids is unlawful killing. And who decides if a killing is lawful or not? you guessed it, GOD HIMSELF. sounds unilateral? why not? HE's the unchallenged being in the entire planes of existence, in fact, HE created the entire planes of existence
Post #13
oh right, and I havent touched the main topic yet.
why is christianity dead? if you mean more people are hating it, that's true. no problem, GOD will just throw all non believers (that includes haters like atheists, or other faiths and neutrals like non theists) to lake of fire (not hell / hades), and that's that.
so long christianity has been spread, as in, the name of Jesus has been made available, then it's all good. we dont expect to increase the number of "follower". anybody must decide themselves if they want to believe in HIM or not. HE doesnt need humans, it's the other way around. unlike presidents or kings who need support from fellow human species to stay in power, HE whose power is unchallenged and unchecked needs no such things, because HE is power itself, and all creations derive power from HIM. so even if all humans from the past, present and the future along with the entire planes of existence join forces, that's still nowhere near enough against the ALMIGHTY ONE.
Christianity will never die, only humans will
why is christianity dead? if you mean more people are hating it, that's true. no problem, GOD will just throw all non believers (that includes haters like atheists, or other faiths and neutrals like non theists) to lake of fire (not hell / hades), and that's that.
so long christianity has been spread, as in, the name of Jesus has been made available, then it's all good. we dont expect to increase the number of "follower". anybody must decide themselves if they want to believe in HIM or not. HE doesnt need humans, it's the other way around. unlike presidents or kings who need support from fellow human species to stay in power, HE whose power is unchallenged and unchecked needs no such things, because HE is power itself, and all creations derive power from HIM. so even if all humans from the past, present and the future along with the entire planes of existence join forces, that's still nowhere near enough against the ALMIGHTY ONE.
Christianity will never die, only humans will
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Post #14
From Post 13:
If it's true.
Can ya show it's true?
Or is it just another Christian attempt to scare folks into believing?
That's horrible.collosus wrote: why is christianity dead? if you mean more people are hating it, that's true. no problem, GOD will just throw all non believers (that includes haters like atheists, or other faiths and neutrals like non theists) to lake of fire (not hell / hades), and that's that.
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If it's true.
Can ya show it's true?
Or is it just another Christian attempt to scare folks into believing?
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Post #15
haha, scaring people into believing? what's the point in that? well, unless you're some church owner hoping to make extra bucks from tithe, etc, that may makes sense. But I'm an academic working in private sector with no affiliation with any particular church. the only way for you to avoid lake of fire is to really have faith in Jesus. not fulfilling some church attendance quota, or charity donation quota. none of those mean shit. what will be judged of you, is your state of heart when you die. what's inside your heart will all be revealed before HIM and the entire heavens and hell and you'll be judged based on that.
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Post #17
[Replying to post 16 by JoeyKnothead]
haha yeah, now I get your point. well, there's not much I can do there. that's what the bible says, so I can't make it less scary, because that's just what it is, that's the law.
just like you'll go to prison if you dont stop stealing, and then the thief asked "are you trying to scare me to stop stealing?", ummm.....
well, we just want you to stop stealing, dont focus on the prison, but rather, at the stop stealing part.
dont know if that's a good analogy for you
haha yeah, now I get your point. well, there's not much I can do there. that's what the bible says, so I can't make it less scary, because that's just what it is, that's the law.
just like you'll go to prison if you dont stop stealing, and then the thief asked "are you trying to scare me to stop stealing?", ummm.....
well, we just want you to stop stealing, dont focus on the prison, but rather, at the stop stealing part.
dont know if that's a good analogy for you
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Post #18
[Replying to post 11 by Donray]
That's not exactly true.
Sadducee gave birth to Pharisee, Pharisee split into two sects: Christians and something like modern Jewish, who were Pharisee with Sadducee flavor.
So the first Christians were born Jewish. Then Christianity migrated.
But what does this have to do with the genocide of Christianity in Palestine?
That's not exactly true.
Sadducee gave birth to Pharisee, Pharisee split into two sects: Christians and something like modern Jewish, who were Pharisee with Sadducee flavor.
So the first Christians were born Jewish. Then Christianity migrated.
But what does this have to do with the genocide of Christianity in Palestine?
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Post #19
[Replying to post 12 by collosus]
Why is Christianity dead in Palestine?
Because Israel killed or disbanded all of them. Is it so difficult to read the OP?
Why is Christianity dead in Palestine?
Because Israel killed or disbanded all of them. Is it so difficult to read the OP?
Post #20
I disagree. The New Testament is clear that Yah will wipe out all the wicked come the final judgement. He is certainly the same God of the OT and NT.Donray wrote: They want to pretend that the god of the OT and the god of the NT are different. Remember Christians that your god does not change over time. Your God is a vindictive killer according to the OT.
Are you people saying that nothing in the OT is true? Or do you want to pick and choose what want to be true?
I don't have any problem equating how Yah was presented in the OT with the NT. I even agree with the need for genocide of many of the peoples and the destruction of most of living mankind at the time of the flood. Generally He just lets the wicked destroy each other.
I wouldn't call Him a vindictive killer but a righteous judge passing sentence for violations of law. Yah told Moses He would spare Sodom and Gomorrah if there where 10 righteous men in the cities. With only 1 righteous man, Lot was removed and the cities of the plains were destroyed utterly.
In that case the righteous were removed before the meteor strikes destroyed the cities. Once the christians are removed (say by the rapture) it is time to 'duck and cover'.
