Norigein Muslims organising RING OF PIECE

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:25 pm

In response to a terrorist attack in Copenhagen, a group of young Muslims decided to do a 'Ring of Peace' around an Oslo synagogue, as a symbol of protection.

The goal of the organizers is to â€œextinguish the prejudices people have against Jews and against Muslimsâ€�.

Is this a good gesture, and do you think that initiatives will go anyplace?

http://www.thelocal.no/20150217/muslims ... -synagogue

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:16 pm

[Replying to post 10 by DanieltheDragon]

Koran, hadith, history.

We have the same evidence - it's just that you and I have different conclusions.

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:37 pm

[Replying to post 11 by Wootah]

That's not evidence to the intentions of that man.

Christianity shares the bible, history and biblical law, which is equally detestable.

The KKK at its height a devoutly christian organization founded on christian principles had 5 million members at one point. Should I assume that any act a christian does be viewed through that lens?

Your evidence is wanting to say the least.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:40 pm

[Replying to post 12 by DanieltheDragon]

Apart from you trying to create a false dichotomy I assure you I condemn the KKK as well. Are you suggesting the people around the mosque are false Muslims?

I mean the KKK seem like false Christians to me.

Seriously can you see my point of view or not or you don't wish to?

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:07 pm

[Replying to post 13 by Wootah]

Apart from you trying to create a false dichotomy I assure you I condemn the KKK as well. Are you suggesting the people around the mosque are false Muslims?

An interesting wording.

KKK are false christians because they are bad

These muslims are false muslims because they are doing something good?

I wasn't actually trying to create a dichotomy at all but show how using that logic to apply to a group is not an accurate way to come to conclusions as it is not based on reason or logic but presuppositions. I was using a bad example of how to ascertain ones motives.

To speak clearly we both agree that the following is a bad way to judge christians:

Christianity shares the bible, history and biblical law,

The KKK is a highly devout christian organization that applies these principles correctly

We don't agree that this is a bad way to judge muslims:

Koran, hadith, history.

Islamic terrorist groups are highly devout muslims that apply these principles correctly

What this reveals is that you are not applying logic and reason equally. Simply put using your logic:

True christians can only do good things

True muslims can only do bad things

This is the underlying fallacy that you are applying as evidence. You don't actually have supporting evidence just assumptions based on your assumptions of a particular group. It is difficult for you to see that because of how you are resolving the cognitive dissonance.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:47 pm

[Replying to post 14 by DanieltheDragon]

It's you committing the no true Scotsman fallacy. You want to argue that no true muslim would believe following sharia would have stopped the killing. I'm arguing there are many muddled reasons for the ring of peace/protection.

I think all Christians are sinners, even the KKK ones. I don't think they have biblical support for slavery or racial vilification.

I'm just open minded and my views certainly shouldn't be caricatured to being a false dichotomy of Christian good/Muslim bad. I don't see the world that way.

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:37 pm

[Replying to post 15 by Wootah]

No I am not suggesting the no true scottsman fallacy I am pointing out that you are not using reason or logic to support your assertion. You are simply making claims and stating muddled reasons.

Sure this ring of protection might be self serving in some aspects.

Your claim though was not that it was this:

The message I get is that if we submit we will be protected.

You have not supported this claim in any facet.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:47 pm

[Replying to post 16 by DanieltheDragon]

I appreciate you acknowledging my view.

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:38 pm

[Replying to post 17 by Wootah]

I appreciate that you appreciate that I acknowledge that you have a view on the matter. I would appreciate it though if you would give an evidenced reason as to why one should accept your view as an accurate representation of the situation.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:05 pm

Actually reading from here it may be more likely they were trying to protect Islam.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... synagogue/

Demonstrators also reportedly chanted, â€œNo to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia,â€� conflating criticism of Islam and hatred of Jews.

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:22 pm

[Replying to post 19 by Wootah]

Like I said their intentions can be self serving but that was not your claim was it?