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Do these illegal street blockings violate France's commitment to a secular society, and why are they being allowed to continue?
Muslims Block Streets in Paris
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Muslims Block Streets in Paris
Post #1"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE
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Re: Muslims Block Streets in Paris
Post #11I don't know what you're talking about, you must have gone to a different site.100%atheist wrote:Your OP referred to an example of street blockage in Paris in 2010. You claimed that this blockage is allowed to go on. I found that in 2011 in Paris there was a law introduced to specifically forbid prayers in streets. Now the only relevant information that you managed to come up with [to supposedly support your claim that street prayers are still allowed to go on] is some anti-Muslim blog with some images of some parking lot prayers in other cities of France.East of Eden wrote:How many do you need?100%atheist wrote:Is this blog post the only piece of somehow relevant information you could find?East of Eden wrote: And. looky here, here's a story from less than a year ago about Muslim street blockings still going on in France: http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2 ... rance.html
I'll be standing by for your apology.
How about I claim that Christians kill atheists in the US ... and then to support my statement give you a link to news about Islamists in Bangladesh demanding anti-blasphemy laws?
When I need your advice about news story sources I'll ask you, thanks. Perhaps we wouldn't need so many blogs if the MSM did their job.Since your original post is based on information about Paris, please provide evidence to support your statement that prayers are allowed to go on in Paris streets or retract your statement. If you want to make a broader statement about Muslim prayers in public places in France, then use better sources of information than personal blogs.
Why don't we set aside France for a minute and you tell me your opinion on the UK street blockages and the NYC problem, is this OK with you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... treet.html
Is the Daily Mail an 'anti-Muslim' site?
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE
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Moderator Comment100%atheist wrote: you created that goes straight into "Christians lie in order to promote their homopobic agenda" folder.
Please avoid insinuating that another member is lying. Just present the facts without saying if someone is lying.
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Instead of an ad hominem, tell me which facts in the article are wrong? While you're at it, tell me what makes the Daily Mail 'anti-Muslim' or retract. That's what we do on debate sites.keithprosser3 wrote:Pretty much, yes.Is the Daily Mail an 'anti-Muslim' site?
You might have to be a Brit to get it.
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No, and what was it that Muslims were protesting, the fact some people aren't Muslims?Nilloc James wrote: New question: is street blocking ever an acceptable form of protest?
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE
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The 2010 riots could have been connected to the ban on face coverings (including burkas and niqaabs).
Not a defence but still more causal than "some others arent muslim"
Not a defence but still more causal than "some others arent muslim"
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So what about the London and NYC street blockings?Nilloc James wrote: The 2010 riots could have been connected to the ban on face coverings (including burkas and niqaabs).
Not a defence but still more causal than "some others arent muslim"
If they don't like the burka ban they can always move.
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From Post 18:
Where we see an injustice, it ain't always the best strategy to run from it, but to stand up against it. I live in the "Bible Belt". I'm all too familiar with such pleadings that seek to reduce dissent at the expense of the dissenter moving away, as opposed to presenting sound argumentation regarding various issues.
Would that the "Christian" who finds so much fault with American jurisprudence or just the media, "move away".
Alas, we see a form of the god concept at work. Where complex issues arise, the god concept offers a "simple" solution - "move away". Not just move, but run. Run so far away that I don't even hafta think about ya!
We see this in action in various fields of human endeavor, from science to law, to education and beyond. Some theists find themselves utterly incapable of understanding a complex issue, so can only offer simplistic solutions.
"Move away" is, in the final analysis, the argument of one incapable of showing their position holds it any merit, beyond hoping you'll end up out of shouting distance from his proclamations regarding just how danged contemptible you are.
"Move away", so that you can't present your arguments as to why my notions are goofy. "Move away" so that your voice is never heard.
I dare say, if "move away" were such a great notion, we'd all be swimming.
While I happen to agree with bans on such, I find this argument all too common among those willing to accept the status quo, which is ostensibly an argument from tradition.East of Eden wrote: ...
If they don't like the burka ban they can always move.
Where we see an injustice, it ain't always the best strategy to run from it, but to stand up against it. I live in the "Bible Belt". I'm all too familiar with such pleadings that seek to reduce dissent at the expense of the dissenter moving away, as opposed to presenting sound argumentation regarding various issues.
Would that the "Christian" who finds so much fault with American jurisprudence or just the media, "move away".
Alas, we see a form of the god concept at work. Where complex issues arise, the god concept offers a "simple" solution - "move away". Not just move, but run. Run so far away that I don't even hafta think about ya!
We see this in action in various fields of human endeavor, from science to law, to education and beyond. Some theists find themselves utterly incapable of understanding a complex issue, so can only offer simplistic solutions.
"Move away" is, in the final analysis, the argument of one incapable of showing their position holds it any merit, beyond hoping you'll end up out of shouting distance from his proclamations regarding just how danged contemptible you are.
"Move away", so that you can't present your arguments as to why my notions are goofy. "Move away" so that your voice is never heard.
I dare say, if "move away" were such a great notion, we'd all be swimming.
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I am unaware of any ad hominem - please point it out because I don't like to be considered impolite.Instead of an ad hominem
Anyway, I take it you are not a Brit! For members in the colonies, FYI you should know that The Daily Mail is a UK populist tabloid that is notorious for articles that pander to the real and imagined fears of the 'White middle class'. It can be relied on to put the most negative 'spin' it can get away with on stories about immigrants and Muslims, when it is not frightening its readers with cancer scares, or some new worry about the falling value of their home.
It might not be 'rabidly islamophobic' in the same way they say the EDL are, but the DM nags away every day, creating an atmosphere of distrust at best and hatred at worst.
The Daily Mail is certainly not neutral. Quoting the Daily Mail at someone unsympathetic to the DM's 'Little Englander' nationalist perspective is not the way to convert them.
