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Sometimes great folk walk among us and we hardly seem to notice.

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Is Gene Sharp one of the least known Great and positive Influences of our age?
Will it be left to later generations to fully recognise his worth?
Does his pragmatic philosophy always hold true?

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SacredCowBurgers wrote:
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SacredCowBurgers wrote:
Too many to list them all. Here's a few random. Mainstream American media is a worthless news source.
And the sources you provide have worth?

You have blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites, and a story about Romeo and Juliet.

People will always panic and raise fear and unfounded concern in the face of change. In the US we thought the world was ending over a health care bill. People were up in arms because they thought our president was allegedly not born in our country.

The reliable polls show that the majority of Egyptians support the right of the Islamic groups to have a voice. This does not mean that they in turn support them and would vote for them.

Stop reading sensationalism riddled opinion and start reading the facts.
Wait and see. And, please, DO NOT ever tell me what to read or not to read. Enjoy the NYT.
I'm pretty sure he ment it as a suggestion (because in his opinion, your sources don't seem to be the best), not as, stop this, or else.

Feel free to continue to get your info from whatever source you chose, just understand, some will take issue with particular sources (blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites).
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Clownboat wrote:
I'm pretty sure he ment it as a suggestion (because in his opinion, your sources don't seem to be the best), not as, stop this, or else.
Your opinion is noted. It would be really weird for a Christian web site to report about Christians now wouldn't it #-o
Feel free to continue to get your info from whatever source you chose, just understand, some will take issue with particular sources (blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites).
Thanks for the info AND the permission, I dont know what i would have done without your approval. I would have been lost.

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SacredCowBurgers wrote:
Clownboat wrote:
I'm pretty sure he ment it as a suggestion (because in his opinion, your sources don't seem to be the best), not as, stop this, or else.
Your opinion is noted. It would be really weird for a Christian web site to report about Christians now wouldn't it #-o
Feel free to continue to get your info from whatever source you chose, just understand, some will take issue with particular sources (blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites).
Thanks for the info AND the permission, I dont know what i would have done without your approval. I would have been lost.
I got the impression you were a little lost too. Hang in there buddy.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Imagine that. Sharia law moves closer to taking over Egypt. Might be a good time for Christians to get out. Only thing is that those who say they are are not good sources. Imagine that #-o

Associated Press: CAIRO (AP) -- A majority of Egyptians believe laws in their country should observe the teachings of Islam's holy book, the Quran, according to the results of an opinion poll by a U.S.-based research center.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 6-07-04-09


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Egypt systematically oppresses Christians and minority Muslim sects, according to a congressional commission that placed a key U.S. ally in the Arab world on a blacklist of nations that routinely abuse religious liberties.

Egypt, for the first time, was designated a “country of particular concern� for the “systematic, ongoing and egregious violations of religious freedom,� the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom said in its annual report released Thursday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ppression/

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Board wrote: And the sources you provide have worth?

You have blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites, and a story about Romeo and Juliet.
The sources quoted were at least as objective as you are.
The reliable polls show that the majority of Egyptians support the right of the Islamic groups to have a voice. This does not mean that they in turn support them and would vote for them.

Stop reading sensationalism riddled opinion and start reading the facts.
Yes, why don't you, starting with Egypt. Egyptian Copts have felt the brunt of both the state and Islamic fundamentalists. Many laws and customs favor Muslims, and the constitution proclaims Islam as the state religion. Muslim, but not Christian, schools receive state funding and Arabic may be taught in schools only by Muslims. It is nearly impossible to restore or build new churches at a time while many thousands of new Islamic buildings have been sanctioned by the state. Identity cards note the bearer’s religion, Christians are frequently ostracized or insulted in public, and laws prohibit Moslem conversions to Christianity. Most frightening of all, Islamic radicals have frequently launched physical attacks on Copts.

That's all OK with you? What you don't seem to get is that it doesn't take a hard-core Islamist to oppress 'infidels'.

Such brutal persecution certainly explains the exodus of Christians from the Middle East.
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East of Eden wrote:
Board wrote: And the sources you provide have worth?

You have blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites, and a story about Romeo and Juliet.
The sources quoted were at least as objective as you are.
The reliable polls show that the majority of Egyptians support the right of the Islamic groups to have a voice. This does not mean that they in turn support them and would vote for them.

Stop reading sensationalism riddled opinion and start reading the facts.
Yes, why don't you, starting with Egypt. Egyptian Copts have felt the brunt of both the state and Islamic fundamentalists. Many laws and customs favor Muslims, and the constitution proclaims Islam as the state religion. Muslim, but not Christian, schools receive state funding and Arabic may be taught in schools only by Muslims. It is nearly impossible to restore or build new churches at a time while many thousands of new Islamic buildings have been sanctioned by the state. Identity cards note the bearer’s religion, Christians are frequently ostracized or insulted in public, and laws prohibit Moslem conversions to Christianity. Most frightening of all, Islamic radicals have frequently launched physical attacks on Copts.

That's all OK with you? What you don't seem to get is that it doesn't take a hard-core Islamist to oppress 'infidels'.

Such brutal persecution certainly explains the exodus of Christians from the Middle East.
If we assume all you typed is true, what does that mean? Where are you going with this?

Should a Muslim nation not be able to favor the religion of its constitution? Should we invade Egypt for oppressing people of your religion?

What's next?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Clownboat wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
Board wrote: And the sources you provide have worth?

You have blogs, opinions, forums, biased websites, and a story about Romeo and Juliet.
The sources quoted were at least as objective as you are.
The reliable polls show that the majority of Egyptians support the right of the Islamic groups to have a voice. This does not mean that they in turn support them and would vote for them.

Stop reading sensationalism riddled opinion and start reading the facts.
Yes, why don't you, starting with Egypt. Egyptian Copts have felt the brunt of both the state and Islamic fundamentalists. Many laws and customs favor Muslims, and the constitution proclaims Islam as the state religion. Muslim, but not Christian, schools receive state funding and Arabic may be taught in schools only by Muslims. It is nearly impossible to restore or build new churches at a time while many thousands of new Islamic buildings have been sanctioned by the state. Identity cards note the bearer’s religion, Christians are frequently ostracized or insulted in public, and laws prohibit Moslem conversions to Christianity. Most frightening of all, Islamic radicals have frequently launched physical attacks on Copts.

That's all OK with you? What you don't seem to get is that it doesn't take a hard-core Islamist to oppress 'infidels'.

Such brutal persecution certainly explains the exodus of Christians from the Middle East.
If we assume all you typed is true, what does that mean? Where are you going with this?

Should a Muslim nation not be able to favor the religion of its constitution? Should we invade Egypt for oppressing people of your religion?

What's next?
It means Islamic nations routinely oppress people, it is part and parcel of their religion. It is a violation of basic human rights, as surely as the old South African apartheid government was. BTW, I'm sure the SA system was OK'd by their constitution also.
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East of Eden wrote:It means Islamic nations routinely oppress people, it is part and parcel of their religion. It is a violation of basic human rights, as surely as the old South African apartheid government was. BTW, I'm sure the SA system was OK'd by their constitution also.
I think I agree with you. What I'm curious about is, are you here to inform people about the evils for some reason or just to spread "hate" (for lack of a better word).

I assume you mention this for a reason, and that is what I am curious about. Or maybe you have a solution we could talk about, that would be even better.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Clownboat wrote: I think I agree with you. What I'm curious about is, are you here to inform people about the evils for some reason or just to spread "hate" (for lack of a better word).
Was Nelson Mandela spreading 'hate' when he spoke of the injustices of apartheid?
I assume you mention this for a reason, and that is what I am curious about. Or maybe you have a solution we could talk about, that would be even better.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but for starters we have to make darn sure Sharia Law never gets a foothold in the US, and that ALL citizens abide by our laws. Islam is not just another religion, but rather an expansionary fascist political state as well.
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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