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The victors write the history books. I am a Northerner but the South would have said their revolt was about freedom.cnorman18 wrote:Not so amazing. 1776 was about freedom, 1861 about slavery. Seems a significant enough difference to me.East of Eden wrote:Amazing how secession was good in 1776, and bad in 1861.DeBunkem wrote:One I'd burn...the traitor flag.
Sure, and I'd agree with that, as long as it's clear that we're talking about the freedom to maintain the institution of slavery. There's no debate at all about that; there were economic and social reasons that the South was dependent on slavery, but that was the one single issue that led to the war and the one single issue over which it was fought. Unless you'd care to defend slavery, I don't see wnat point you're trying to make here.East of Eden wrote:The victors write the history books. I am a Northerner but the South would have said their revolt was about freedom.cnorman18 wrote:Not so amazing. 1776 was about freedom, 1861 about slavery. Seems a significant enough difference to me.East of Eden wrote:Amazing how secession was good in 1776, and bad in 1861.DeBunkem wrote:One I'd burn...the traitor flag.
I remember from hy history classes that slavery wasnt the only issue, but that states rights were an issue as well.cnorman18 wrote:Sure, and I'd agree with that, as long as it's clear that we're talking about the freedom to maintain the institution of slavery. There's no debate at all about that; there were economic and social reasons that the South was dependent on slavery, but that was the one single issue that led to the war and the one single issue over which it was fought. Unless you'd care to defend slavery, I don't see wnat point you're trying to make here.East of Eden wrote:The victors write the history books. I am a Northerner but the South would have said their revolt was about freedom.cnorman18 wrote:Not so amazing. 1776 was about freedom, 1861 about slavery. Seems a significant enough difference to me.East of Eden wrote:Amazing how secession was good in 1776, and bad in 1861.DeBunkem wrote:One I'd burn...the traitor flag.
DeBunkem and I don't agree on everything, but I don't feel a need to oppose everthing he says or stands for. Sometimes people we disagree with are right, and we should all take care to argue from conviction and not from knee-jerk reaction to personalities or political labels.
The only salient "states' rights" issue before the Civil War was slavery, just as the only "states' rights" issue in the early 1960s was segregation. If you can cite some other issues where "states' rights" were a concern, feel free to propse them, but any other issues paled into insignificance compared to the issue of slavery.mormon boy51 wrote:I remember from hy history classes that slavery wasnt the only issue, but that states rights were an issue as well.cnorman18 wrote:Sure, and I'd agree with that, as long as it's clear that we're talking about the freedom to maintain the institution of slavery. There's no debate at all about that; there were economic and social reasons that the South was dependent on slavery, but that was the one single issue that led to the war and the one single issue over which it was fought. Unless you'd care to defend slavery, I don't see wnat point you're trying to make here.East of Eden wrote:The victors write the history books. I am a Northerner but the South would have said their revolt was about freedom.cnorman18 wrote:Not so amazing. 1776 was about freedom, 1861 about slavery. Seems a significant enough difference to me.East of Eden wrote:Amazing how secession was good in 1776, and bad in 1861.DeBunkem wrote:One I'd burn...the traitor flag.
DeBunkem and I don't agree on everything, but I don't feel a need to oppose everthing he says or stands for. Sometimes people we disagree with are right, and we should all take care to argue from conviction and not from knee-jerk reaction to personalities or political labels.
Probably was the only states rights issue.cnorman18 wrote:The only salient "states' rights" issue before the Civil War was slavery, just as the only "states' rights" issue in the early 1960s was segregation. If you can cite some other issues where "states' rights" were a concern, feel free to propse them, but any other issues paled into insignificance compared to the issue of slavery.mormon boy51 wrote:I remember from hy history classes that slavery wasnt the only issue, but that states rights were an issue as well.cnorman18 wrote:Sure, and I'd agree with that, as long as it's clear that we're talking about the freedom to maintain the institution of slavery. There's no debate at all about that; there were economic and social reasons that the South was dependent on slavery, but that was the one single issue that led to the war and the one single issue over which it was fought. Unless you'd care to defend slavery, I don't see wnat point you're trying to make here.East of Eden wrote:The victors write the history books. I am a Northerner but the South would have said their revolt was about freedom.cnorman18 wrote:Not so amazing. 1776 was about freedom, 1861 about slavery. Seems a significant enough difference to me.East of Eden wrote:Amazing how secession was good in 1776, and bad in 1861.DeBunkem wrote:One I'd burn...the traitor flag.
DeBunkem and I don't agree on everything, but I don't feel a need to oppose everthing he says or stands for. Sometimes people we disagree with are right, and we should all take care to argue from conviction and not from knee-jerk reaction to personalities or political labels.
Tariffs, if I'm not mistaken, but slavery was definitely the main issue.cnorman18 wrote: The only salient "states' rights" issue before the Civil War was slavery, just as the only "states' rights" issue in the early 1960s was segregation. If you can cite some other issues where "states' rights" were a concern, feel free to propse them, but any other issues paled into insignificance compared to the issue of slavery.
