Sick of an untrue excuse

0JesusFreak · Post by **0JesusFreak** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:29 pm

The statement of "Separation of Church" and State being in the constitution is entirely false and I can prove it.

All anyone needs to do is look up the U.S. Constitution on the web and use ctrl+F. search for any part of that and you won't find "Separation of Church and State" anywhere in it.

So my question is this: why and how do the politicians get away with this everytime?

(I'm actually surprised that I couldn't find a post about this.)

0JesusFreak · Post by **0JesusFreak** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:07 pm

God is "I am". He made everything. Why then shouldn't he get angry at those He made for intentionally ignoring everything He says. If anyone has ever dealt with little children then they can understand this. When a child is asked asked to stop and they continue to do it because they were told to stop but didn't see the big picture because they couldn't. He doesn't hate the people. He hates their evil actions, thoughts, and decisions.

Miles · Post by **Miles** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:32 am

0JesusFreak wrote:He doesn't hate the people. He hates their evil actions, thoughts, and decisions.

Which is why it is said of him in Psalm 5:5" "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate the iniquity they do"

OOPS! Sorry, got that wrong. That should be, "Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

But then there are really things he hates, such as the following from Prov. 6:17-19,: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

OOPS again, the last two aren't things at all are they, but people.

0JesusFreak · Post by **0JesusFreak** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:57 am

Maybe so but it is those people's actions that make them the type of people He hates.

Miles · Post by **Miles** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:06 pm

0JesusFreak wrote:Maybe so but it is those people's actions that make them the type of people He hates.

Which is the same reason most of us hate others: not who they are, but what they've done. So god is no different in his hate are we.

0JesusFreak · Post by **0JesusFreak** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:26 pm

So god is no different in his hate are we.

Can you please rephrase this? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Miles · Post by **Miles** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:46 pm

0JesusFreak wrote:
So god is no different in his hate are we.
Can you please rephrase this? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Sorry, big typo. Should be "So god is no different in his hate than us," which is better stated as, "So god is no different than us in his hatred."

0JesusFreak · Post by **0JesusFreak** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:49 pm

Except that we are capable of hatred for petty and insignificant things and God is more concerned with the attitude behind one's actions as a whole.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:12 pm

0JesusFreak wrote:Except that we are capable of hatred for petty and insignificant things and God is more concerned with the attitude behind one's actions as a whole.

Is that true? Many people have claimed that God 'hated' something. It seems so odd that God hated the same things they did.

Isn't it amazing how it seems God is just a projection of the believers prejudices?

Miles · Post by **Miles** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:24 pm

0JesusFreak wrote:Except that we are capable of hatred for petty and insignificant things and God is more concerned with the attitude behind one's actions as a whole.

Just so we understand each other, my remark was within the context of my whole reply:

"Which is the same reason most of us hate others: not who they are, but what they've done. So god is no different than us in his hatred."

"the same reason": "not who they are, but what they've done." THIS is where god is no different than us. Sorry not to have been clearer.

Yet . . . although god's hatreds may be different than ours, personally, I don't hate people simply because they utter lies, which is what god does; something I find a bit petty. So, as with different people who have different criteria for hating, god's hatred seems no more or no less lofty than man's.

0JesusFreak · Post by **0JesusFreak** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:30 pm

Isn't it amazing how it seems God is just a projection of the believers prejudices?

That is because we have lost sight of the true God and His truth. People have begun to use Him as an excuse or a security blanket and those people are not truly Christians. Even though statistics say that Christianity is the largest religion on the planet that only counts those who say they are Christian. There is a large difference between saying that you're a Christian and being a Christian. Often times I feel very alone because, not all, but most "Christians" I know don't even try to follow Christ's teachings 100% of the time. We may fail and fall but at least I and a few of my friends still try.

Yet . . . although god's hatreds may be different than ours, personally, I don't hate people simply because they utter lies, which is what god does; something I find a bit petty. So, as with different people who have different criteria for hating, god's hatred seems no more or no less lofty than man's.

Maybe, but we must remember who and what God is. He made everything. He rules and commands...everything. We think that it is petty to hate someone who lies, but a lie, even with good intentions, is still a lie and still wrong. God's us command is to "love your neighbor as yourself," and lying to them doesn't do this because it them seem foolish later on. I'm not we have to be brutal just honest.

I suppose that it could all be summed like this:
God's ultimate command is to love unconditionally. Those who do not even try and feel no remorse are those whom God hates.

Also remember that God is God. He can hate and still love. In truth, He might even hate because He loves. Hmmmm...I shall have to think on this.