Is God guilty?

JoeB · Post by **JoeB** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:31 pm

Hello all, before I start, I'd like to state that I posted this topic in here because for the sake of argument it assumes the christian god exists.

Imagine you're God, walking down a calm motorway alongside a young girl who walks alone. A van pulls over and a few harsh men forcefully kidnap the girl, you ofcourse, do not intervene even though you know you're fully capable of intervening (heck, infinitely more capably than any man could). The girl is taken into the van and they drive off in a hurry, you're sitting next to the now tied up girl, again, doing nothing but observing. The men rape her, then brutally murder her and throw the body in some river or lake. All the while you were standing there, watching, doing nothing at all to save her.

Is the God in this story without guilt? In my opinion not, were he a man he would most certainly not get away with the 'but it was their free will to abduct, rape and murder her' argument. Why does god get away with this? He is far more capable at stopping the men than a simple mortal can ever be.
Heck, he could even send a few angels to scare the living crap out of those men without hurting them (it would even create a few believers, whoa! win-win!).

Judging from the bible God has intervened in peoples lives directly thus breaking their free will, for example he supposedly hardened the Pharaoh's heart to prevent IsraÃ«l from leaving Egypt, or the arguably forceful conversion of Paul on his way to Damascus, evidence god does not follow the human free will principle.

Question for debate:
Is God accountable for his inaction in stopping horrible things like above from happening?

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:59 pm

JoeB wrote:
According to biblical doctrine,
he is going to come and intervene
He will rid us of all darkness.
Thankfully, we are on his schedule.
Well the bible states no specific date, in fact it very clearly states it is not known when He will come and intervene so to speak. For two thousand years people thought it would be just around the corner.

If people are ignorant
let them be so.
It's around the corner to the Lord.
What is a few thousand years in the sense of Eternity?
Just because you feel he is tarrying
doesn't prove he is not coming!

JoeB · Post by **JoeB** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:26 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:If people are ignorant
let them be so.
It's around the corner to the Lord.
What is a few thousand years in the sense of Eternity?
Just because you feel he is tarrying
doesn't prove he is not coming!

Regardless of what it is to god it is a long time in a human scale, and seeing the bible was supposedly written for humans it would make sense for god to refer to human scales instead of his own.

Another thought occurred to me on the flood killing. Isn't it so that God gets even with the sinners there? And he does so by killing them right?
Then that shows that god's kind of righteousness is to lower himself to the level of the perpetrators, as in, two wrongs do not make a right in my opinion. What he could have done is teach them how to live properly in a successful way, that way he would have been righteous in the uplifting way, in that he lifts the perpetrators up over their wrongdoings.

I can imagine people saying that that's exactly what he did with Chrisianity. Sure, I can see that. Except that you would run into the problem that it would mean God is not all knowing: otherwise he would have implemented it correctly straight away.