It's interesting that even some moderate Democrat Senators like Doug Jones of Alabama, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia all voted to convict the President. The pundits expected a different vote from them. In fact, didn't Joe Manchin announce his intention to vote to "not guilty" a few days before the vote? (though he recommended censure). Yet even Manchin voted to convict.
For debate, who got to Manchin and the others? Is the "lock-step" natural in this case, or is it the result of coersion from Democrat leadership?
Who got to Joe Manchin?
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Elijah John
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Who got to Joe Manchin?
Post #1 My theological positions:
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
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Re: Who got to Joe Manchin?
Post #2Most likely was just plain old common sense.Elijah John wrote: For debate, who got to Manchin and the others?
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Re: Who got to Joe Manchin?
Post #3[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
I find it interesting that Mr. John thinks only coercion or conformity could change another person's mind. Could it be, perhaps, those are the only things that could change his mind? I'm not saying it is so, I am just asking.
Even Mr. Romney pleaded conscience for his "defection" and he is a Mormon.
I find it interesting that Mr. John thinks only coercion or conformity could change another person's mind. Could it be, perhaps, those are the only things that could change his mind? I'm not saying it is so, I am just asking.
Even Mr. Romney pleaded conscience for his "defection" and he is a Mormon.
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Re: Who got to Joe Manchin?
Post #4That went out of the window when Mitch McConnell and others made it clear censure wasn't an option. Who got to Manchin? The Republicans did.Elijah John wrote: In fact, didn't Joe Manchin announce his intention to vote to "not guilty" a few days before the vote? (though he recommended censure).
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Re: Who got to Joe Manchin?
Post #5Are you certain that Chuck Shumer did no arm twisting to keep his party in lock-step? After all, that is common practice in politics. It just seems a fast turnaround for Senator Manchin. Let's just say I'm suspicious given his announced intention to aquit.Bust Nak wrote:That went out of the window when Mitch McConnell and others made it clear censure wasn't an option. Who got to Manchin? The Republicans did.Elijah John wrote: In fact, didn't Joe Manchin announce his intention to vote to "not guilty" a few days before the vote? (though he recommended censure).
What you suggest is a possibility, but does anyone know if Mr. Manchin explained his turnaround after the vote? That would sure clear things up.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Who got to Joe Manchin?
Post #6Does it seem fast? The guy proposed a bipartisan solution, the solution got shot down, so he went with his second choice. How much time do you think he needs?Elijah John wrote: It just seems a fast turnaround for Senator Manchin.
