Did others do more than Jesus for humanity?

[marco]

I was reading about the bravery of Nurse Edith Cavell who saved lives in WW1 and was executed for her efforts. Jesus seems to have blasphemed or insulted the religion of his time and was consequently executed. In history many people have given up their lives for others but only in metaphor did Jesus give his life for others. He is fabled to have destroyed death - after him there was no need to bury people for they didn't die, at least in theory. In practice people did die.

It would seem Jesus should not be on the list of those who saved others, unless we count his medicinal work, which would put him alongside some junior doctors.

Did many others do more for mankind than Jesus?
What good did Jesus actually do?

[marco]

[Replying to post 8 by marco]

Jesus said that his disciples would do works "greater than" what he did, owing to the fact that, like you mentioned, he only had 2-3 years to accomplish his ministry. His disciples would cover a much greater territory and have much more time to preach and teach.

No one has accomplished what he did in controlling the elements, miraculously feeding thousands of people, raising the dead, and making his Father's name known. If everyone practiced what he taught, there would be no wars. Put everything he did together and you cannot find another person who can compare to him.

You are using Jesus as the personification of good advice. If we all sang merrily every day and wished the world a happy good night, I suppose people might desist from wars. Many in the world do conduct themselves peacefully, and look out for others. Sadly Jehovah fashioned us all with different degrees of intelligence and granted to some an excess of moral turpitude and to others a brain that makes them murder.


Our history is filled with outstanding examples of bravery and goodness. Evil people draw a better press but I guess that in unknown corners of our planet, people love, help and die with their deeds unrecorded. Jesus was a moral theorist not so much interested in the physical well-being of people around him but in format of prayer and memorisation of pieces of Scripture. It is hard to see this is a great contribution to humanity's welfare.

[sleepyhead]

Hello Marco,
>>>What good did Jesus actually do?<<<
My understanding of what Jesus did is from the book of Acts. Moses said that God would raise up a prophet like himself. What was special about Moses? After God used him to free the Israelites, he built the Ark of the Covenant and then the Tanakh version of the Holy Ghost came down and remained with the Ark. That HG apparently left. Jesus obeys God and after he rises into the sky the HG comes down. Look at the HG as a gallon container of spirit. Much of it remained with Peter but some went with the other apostles and as time went on it was split up with the people baptized and now little parts of it are split up all over the world.
While he did some healings when he was alive bringing the HG into the world was the only lasting thing that he did. As a result of the HG the nurse you mentioned previously was willing to give her life.

[SallyF]

[Replying to post 8 by marco]

Jesus said that his disciples would do works "greater than" what he did, owing to the fact that, like you mentioned, he only had 2-3 years to accomplish his ministry. His disciples would cover a much greater territory and have much more time to preach and teach.

No one has accomplished what he did in controlling the elements, miraculously feeding thousands of people, raising the dead, and making his Father's name known. If everyone practiced what he taught, there would be no wars. Put everything he did together and you cannot find another person who can compare to him.



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Firstly …

We would need to demonstrate, through independent means, that the possibly fictional Jesus character actually DID all the wonderful things you mention.

To the very best of my knowledge …

NOT A SOUL has ever done this.

We have NOTHING more than the propaganda/"scriptures" of unknown writers on which to base these claims of magic and philanthropy.

Magic Jesus has not a shred of evidence that I know of to back him up.

Historical Jesus is only ever determined as "highly likely" …

Which leaves the possibility of NEVER AT ALL.

However …

Member Marco has nominated a non-magical, non-god-sired human, who we can independently verify as doing genuinely good things for humanity.

We shall nominate more …

As we wait for evidence that the possibly fictional Jesus character did anything outside the imaginations of believers.

[JehovahsWitness]

NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

You are using Jesus as the personification of good advice.

Jesus wasnt just the personification of "good" advice he was the personification of the best advice since he and only he accruately introduced to mankind exactly how they could gain everlasting llife:

JOHN 17:3

This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God,+ and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

The thus provided the cure for cancer, all genetic diseases, the remedy for war, hunger sickness, homelessness addiction, family breakdown, hopelessness, global warming, and even death. No one could or has done more for mankind.




JW





NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[1213]

I was reading about the bravery of Nurse Edith Cavell who saved lives…

That is nice, but have they not died by now? I don’t think humans save anyone, because all people seem to die anyway.

What good did Jesus actually do?

I think his teachings are the good thing he did. And I think the teachings are greatest teachings people have. And it is interesting why atheists are against them.

[Tcg]

I was reading about the bravery of Nurse Edith Cavell who saved lives…

That is nice, but have they not died by now? I don’t think humans save anyone, because all people seem to die anyway.

Yes, in spite of the false claims that Jesus Saves, people die anyway.

Thank-you for highlighting the falsity of this claim.


Tcg

[marco]

My understanding of what Jesus did is from the book of Acts. Moses said that God would raise up a prophet like himself.

And Muslims believe Muhammad was that very prophet.

While he did some healings when he was alive bringing the HG into the world was the only lasting thing that he did. As a result of the HG the nurse you mentioned previously was willing to give her life.

This is rich, imaginative stuff. Is the Holy Ghost shy that he needed help from Jesus before doing good in the world. Was Aristotle denied his attentions? Are we to suppose that every good act is inspired by the incomprehensible meanderings of a ghost? If every good act from the time of Christ can be attributed somehow to Christ's influence, then yes, he's been busy. I wonder to whom we attribute all the evil that has befallen humanity.

As a child I had a guardian angel who got unhappy when I did something bad and would whisper nice thoughts into my ear to inspire goodness. Would this angel be related to the Holy Ghost? Do you not suppose we have enough to do making sense of the diseases that afflict us, the tragedies we are heir to and the incessant calls from Death without inventing some pervading spirit who inspires a nurse to do good then gets her shot for listening to him?

[marco]

I was reading about the bravery of Nurse Edith Cavell who saved lives…

That is nice, but have they not died by now? I don’t think humans save anyone, because all people seem to die anyway.

With that philosophy I wonder why Jesus bothered to raise Lazarus, only to have him die a second time?

What good did Jesus actually do?

I think his teachings are the good thing he did. And I think the teachings are greatest teachings people have. And it is interesting why atheists are against them.

I had some very good lecturers but none of them told me to hate my mother and father. Nor did they promise to come with a sword - on a cloud of all things. The pictures we have of Jesus are derived from the imaginative ideas of his biographers. He never once hurt his foot, suffered a cold, sneezed or experienced constipation. He is just a confusion of words - and meanwhile real life hits us every day and we have real people prepared to DO something for humanity rather than talk of mustard and foolish virgins.

[SallyF]

And we can't even be sure there WAS a Jesus.

But IF there was …




It's BAD news for all but 144,000 humans on this planet …!

[sleepyhead]

[Replying to post 17 by marco]

>>>And Muslims believe Muhammad was that very prophet. <<<
In what sense to they believe that Muhammed was like Moses?

>>>Is the Holy Ghost shy that he needed help from Jesus before doing good in the world. <<<
Since I'm down here on earth I'm not privy to information with regards to why the HG needed an Ark built before it would come, and I don't know why it needed Jesus crucifixon in order to come down the second time.

>>>Do you not suppose we have enough to do making sense of the diseases that afflict us<<<
I'm not sure of the point your trying to make here. I am mostly concerned about coherency as opposed to true and false. Did you find anything incoherent in what I wrote?