Whose Son is David' Lord?

[4Pillars]

In Matthew 22:41-46 we read...

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?


So, whose Son is David's Lord YHWH?

Your thought please.... Thanks

[tambi]

Jesus is Jehovah himself -- the Son of God. He is the Physical Image of the Almighty God Father, the Spirit of Love, which NO man has ever seen nor knew of his name.

4Pillars, you believe that there is no trinity, but 'Jesus Christ' is in fact God the 'father'?

[einstein]

The alleged conversation between Jesus and the pharisees could never have taken place unless you assume that it was in Greek!

According to both modern and biblical Hebrew there is no connection between "adoni" (my master/lord) and "adonai" -the pronounced Tetragrammaton. In fact there are 9 cases in the Hebrew bible where the Tetragrammaton and the word "adoni" occur in the same passage and in eight cases the KJB correctly translates the verse in the form of "the Lord to my master/lord". The only exception is Psalm 110 where Christological intent can be manipulated.

The problem arises from the Greek where the terms " kurios " and "kurio mou" are used. This problem is non-existant in the original Hebrew.

[Cathar1950]

The alleged conversation between Jesus and the pharisees could never have taken place unless you assume that it was in Greek!

According to both modern and biblical Hebrew there is no connection between "adoni" (my master/lord) and "adonai" -the pronounced Tetragrammaton. In fact there are 9 cases in the Hebrew bible where the Tetragrammaton and the word "adoni" occur in the same passage and in eight cases the KJB correctly translates the verse in the form of "the Lord to my master/lord". The only exception is Psalm 110 where Christological intent can be manipulated.

The problem arises from the Greek where the terms " kurios " and "kurio mou" are used. This problem is non-existant in the original Hebrew.

I was going to say maybe El was talking to YHWH but Einstein came along and made all that sense.
At any rate the psalm is not talking about jesus because he had not been even born yet. If anyone thinks it is Jesus then they are reading it into the passage.
It is possible that the writer was not David and he was speaking of YHWH talking to David or even one of David's sons or even grandsons. So the writer is just saying given he is a servant of the house of David that the Lord said to my lord(his lord).
This might make more sense with Einstein's translations.

[Greatest I Am]

I note that some here place the trinity in the beginning of our world.
How can this be when Marie is not as yet born to bear Jesus.
Rather a catch 22.
Regards
DL

[ken1burton]

When Jesus asked of Christ “Whose Son is He.” there was no hesitation, they answered “David’s” And if you were to Ask God the Same Question, You would get the same answer. Because God swore in His Holiness that is just the way it would be.

Psalms 89: 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

God is not saying He will come down in the Form of the Son, But that He will raise up David’s son to be the Son of God, Here is the Promise God made to David:

2-Samuel 7: 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

FORGET Solomon, He became King while David was still alive, this Child will be raised up after David is dead, and forget any of David’s sons which He already has, God said “Shall proceed” or a future event from the promise.

1 Corinthians 1: 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea , and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

If you offend easily, stop reading this post I wrote, If you search for Truth, take notes. God does use that which is despised (by men that is).

The next Child is born outside wedlock to David, through Bathsheba. The Child will die seven days after Birth, God struck the Child and it was sick. God’s law in Deuteronomy 24:16 prohibited a child to be put to death for the sin of a Parent, So this is not why God stuck the Child and it died. But in Revelation 1:5 Jesus is seen as the First begotten of the Dead, and that is BORN not raised. Now for the proof.

God sent a parable to David, about taking Bathsheba to prepare for the Wayfaring Man whom had come to David, The Promise of the Messiah is what has come to David.

2-Samuel 12: 4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

David did not take on of his many wives, He took Uriah the Hittite wife. “Thy Mother is a Hittite” is Scriptural. “In sin did My Mother conceive Me,” is Scriptural. And Jesus is that WAYFARING MAN:

Jeremiah 14: 8 O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?

Many people despise a Child born outside wedlock, But what did the Child do? God’s law in Deuteronomy 23:2 makes it look like God despises them also, Don’t bet on it, it is a setup for His enemies to shoot their mouth off.

I do not paste all of Deuteronomy 23:2 on a Christian site, it is VERY OFFENSIVE by the word used for a child born outside wedlock. Remember, God said He would be the Father of the Fatherless, a little HINT.

2-Samuel 12: 14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

A GREAT OCCASION they will not be able to resist. They will speak against David (heard that many times from the pulpit) and against the Child, When it goes against God’s choice.

Under the law in Deuteronomy 23: 2 A _______ shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

The Child born outside wedlock in 1004 B.C. Jesus REBORN At Bethlehem in 4 B.C. (Our calendars are four years off) 10-100 year generations, 100 year generations used for Children of Israel in Egypt four generations or 400 years.

God said He would send Elijah in the end of the old Testament or Malachi, then what is known as 400 silent years, or 10 40-year generations (actually 396, But a Child does not enter till age 12, Story of Jesus as a Child in the temple, when He can speak and share.)

The Ark of the Covenant was captured by the Philistines, Taken to a place called Ashdod, then through Gath, Ekron, and then returned to Israel, A Similitude is Jesus is reaching for non-Jews, or His heart is captured by His love for others.

Only the Child born outside wedlock to David can fulfill the prophecies for the Christ. AGAIN I will have to remove the Word from the KJV Scriptures which refer to the Child born outside wedlock because it offends many.

Zechariah 9: 6 And a _______ shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.

Jesus is taking sins upon Himself, so the pride of the Philistines are cut off.


7 And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.

All sin or Iniquity has been laid upon Jesus, A “Governor in Judah” is part of the prophecy for Bethlehem (For out of thee shall come forth a Governor to rule My people Israel) Ekron was part of the Path the Ark took back to Israel, A Jebusite was a Servant to israel.


8 And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.

There are 144 around Jesus, who came with Judas, they form a wall seen in Revelation 21:17. this is the day of the Cross, Not the entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, Jesus will start the day as a Prince, Be raised on the Cross as a king (Psalms 2:6/7, Which is looking at the Birth of the Body of Christ the day of the Cross when all prophecies are fulfilled and made truth.)


9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

STILL looking that the one born outside wedlock in verse 9:6. And this is looking at Jesus, the only Child of David which fits the prophecies.

The Birth of the Body of Christ, with us in that Body:

Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Now for what the Ass’s colt is, it is the Birth of mankind to God. That is what Jesus is riding in on the day of the cross:

Genesis 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

Binding Jesus to the Birth of mankind to God. “Immanuel or God with us.” for the day of the Cross, sin had to be removed for God to be with us.

Job 11: 12 For vain man would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass's colt.

Acts 2: 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Romans 1: 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Both Genealogies in Matthew and in Luke go to Joseph which are dead ends, There is NO GENEALOGY for Mary what soever.

It is the Prophecies God gave to the Prophets concerning what He would do, with Jesus who did them the day of the Cross which link Jesus as being the son of David raised to be the Son of God, AS GOD the day of the Cross as Zechariah 12:8 shows.

Mary does not have to be of the Seed of David, The Child does, Like the potters vessel that was marred, another vessel was made of the SAME lump of clay. (Jeremiah 18:4)

As far as David calling his own son Lord, That was the nature of David, Anyone whom God anointed, David would call lord. Even his physical son.

1 Samuel 24: 4 And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the LORD said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.
5 And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
6 And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD'S anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the LORD.

How is He then David’s Son? Is by God’s words.

Sorry it had to be som long a post, But a lot of concepts had to be addressed to get it all explained.

Ken

[ken1burton]

Revelation 3: 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Some Names are like word games.

NONE declareth

NONE Showeth

When I called NONE did answer.

There is NONE beside Me.

NONE can by any means redeem His Brother.

A New Name? I can think of NONE.

God had to hide His Face from Jesus to fulfill the Prophecies, Jesus had to go into hell:

Psalms 143: 7 Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.

God had to hide His Face from Jesus so that Jesus had to go into hell.

God uses the “Lest” in another Psalm also, and this one also had to be done so Jesus went into hell:

Psalms 28: 1 Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.

God had to be Silent when Jesus was crying “My God, My God, Why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Then seen in the Book of Revelation, “There was Silence in Heaven the Space of half an hour.”

When you hear someone calling and remain silent, that is an answer. So when Jesus cried, God did answer, But it had to be with Silence.

Psalms 91: 14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

God did deliver Jesus, to be Crucified, and set High on a Cross, and God did answer Jesus, with Silence. Jesus knows His name, But has not attached it be being God’s name.

Isaiah 45: 4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

A Name? A Surname to it? My words have been spoken, I have NONE ELSE to say.

Deuteronomy 4: 35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

Deuteronomy 4: 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

“This Day” is the day of the Cross when all the old Testament prophecies are for.

1-Kings 8: 60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

Isaiah 45: 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

God repeats things, He multiplies visions and uses similitudes. There is NONE righteous.

Ken