Which is risker?

[Elijah John]

Which approach is riskier?

a) To worship Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is not?

b) Or to not worship Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is?

Why?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 28 by Elijah John]

Yes but are you suggesting a person's eternal salvation is dependent on worshipping a particular God in a particular way?

I take it you don't believe a sincere person that believes in the trinity will not receive exactly the same reward as as sincere person that does not...indeed the same future as a kind and sincere atheist, so ultimately, what difference does it make?


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[TLIG]

Which approach is riskier?

a) To worship Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is not?

b) Or to not worship Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is?

Why?

Unless you worship in Spirit and truth
it will not matter one way or the other.

If you worship in Spirit and truth
you will not care one way or the other.

It does matter. If a person worships Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is not God, how is that not a violation of the first commandment? Obeying God's commanments is part or worshiping him in "Spirit and in truth", isn't it?

And worshiping a false God is in no way worshiping the Living God in "Spirit and in truth" is it.

You did not comprehend
that to which I stated and I am not going to explain it to you.

Because you have not the wisdom to understand it.

So it would be in vain.

Besides you lost this debate long ago.

[otseng]

You did not comprehend
that to which I stated and I am not going to explain it to you.

Because you have not the wisdom to understand it.

So it would be in vain.

Besides you lost this debate long ago.

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[TLIG]

You did not comprehend
that to which I stated and I am not going to explain it to you.

Because you have not the wisdom to understand it.

So it would be in vain.

Besides you lost this debate long ago.

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You and your parents and your wife and all your offspring
shall be punished for you.

Your and their blessings from God
just grew wings and flew away
from you
to me.

Yours truly,
the Lord's anointed
in the seven Spirits of God

I have been waiting for about 10 years to do this to you.

Thank you for opening the door for me

you no good for nothing worthless child of the devil.

AND I WILL POST HERE ANYTIME I SO DESIRE
AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Enjoy the ride

[The Tanager]

In another thread JW asked for a reminding of the verses I shared here that JW did not respond to. I said I would do it here because that thread has a much narrower focus and this would be out of place there.

JW, you responded in post 17 to 2 passages: Mark 2 and John 10:33. You did not respond here to the following: John 1, John 8:58, Mark 14:62, John 14:13-14, John 16:26, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, John 20:28, John 17:5, Colossians 1:15-20, 2 Peter 1:1, Titus 2:13, James 2:1 and Hebrews 1:8.

In post 20, I responded back to your comments on Mark 2 and John 10:33 and you have not responded to those.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 33 by The Tanager]

Thank you for your list





JOHN 14:13-14; John 16:26

13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name , so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. - John 14:13-14 NIV

In that day you shall ask in my name ; and I say not to you, that I will ask the Father for you: - John 16:26 Douay-Rheims Bible

Jesus tells his disciples to pray to him (John 14:13-14 and 16:26).

. Is Jesus saying pray to him or pray in his name?


Thanks



Nb Matthew 14:33; 28:9 .... WORSHIP

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 33 by The Tanager]

JOHN 17:5

Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before the world was made - Good News Translation

In John 17:5 Jesus claims to have had glory with the Father before the world was made. Well aware of Isaiah 42:8 saying that He will not share His glory with another.

Did Jesus claim he shared Father's glory?

If a son has a car, a Honda but his Father's car is a Mercedes, whose car does the son have?

Jesus asked for his original "car" that he had in the beginning? Is he asking for his Father's "Mercedes"?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 33 by The Tanager]

JAMES 2:1

New American Standard 1977
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. - James 2:1

Who is he, this glorious King? Jehovah of armies—he is the glorious King. - Psalms 24:10 NWT

James said Jesus was the Lord of glory, echoing Psalm 24's description of God in this way.

Are you suggesting that since Jesus is called glorious and God is called glorious Jesus must be God?

Apple's are green; my car is green.... therefore my car must be an apple

JW







INDEX So called trinity "proof texts" debunked
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 594#936594

JOHN 5:19 ".... what the Father does the son does"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 787#936787

FURTHER READING

SFBT Full scripture index
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com ... index.html

Trinity "proof" texts debunked
http://onlytruegod.org/defense/trinity_prooftexts.htm

[StuartJ]

I'm sitting at my keyboard trembling over the consequences of getting this wrong ...

The Loving Yahweh flooded the entire dome of Heaven we live in, and performed other acts of genocide in Egypt, and assisted in the genocidal ethnic cleansing of the Promised land, and other petulant, unstable, human-like acts ...

But the Yahweh propaganda is vague at most about the after-death notion of Paradise or Hell.

If Jesus was an aspect of the Jewish concept of "God" we would expect him to have whispered it into the ears of prophets who wrote "scriptures" ...

Because the cult propaganda of the Christian form of Judaism is quite clear on the promise of a mansion if you believe and the flames if you don't.

It's all part of the LOVE.

But I'm still trembling ...

Because maybe it's NOT just fantasy and make-believe for simple, credulous minds ....

[jgh7]

Which approach is riskier?

a) To worship Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is not?

b) Or to not worship Jesus as God, and it turns out that he is?

Why?

To worship Jesus as God to me means to view him as the Father's only Son, of the same Godly essence as the Father and of near infinite power and knowledge. If it turned out that Jesus was not of Godly essence and not worthy of worship, then my guess is that God would forgive me for my error. I still put God the Father as the holiest of all even though I view his Son as worthy of being called God as well.

Now to the vice versa where I don't worship Jesus as God. I guess this means that I simply view him as another angelic being, more similar to angels than to the Father? If I viewed him this way and it turned out I was wrong, I feel like God would be more angry with me as it would be disrespectful to his Son to not believe in his Divinity.

This is purely subjective on my part and it's plain to see where my biases are.