Is your belief in God, entirely dependent upon

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:23 am

Is your belief in God entirely dependent upon your belief that Jesus himself is God, the 2nd person of the Trinity?

If the arguments of skeptics here on these boards, or the arguments of Historical Jesus Scholars such as Bart Ehrmann or John Dominic Crossan, or even the arguments of Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims or Jews suddenly clicked in your mind, with a light-bulb-"aha" realization that Jesus is not God, never claimed to be God, and none of his contemporaries every called him "God", what would you do?

Would you retain your general belief in God, as Father? Would you join another religion such as Islam or Judaism? Would you attempt to salvage what you can of Chrisitanity in a unitarian (small "u" not necessarily UU) fashion?

Or would that discovery cause you to become an atheist or an agnostic?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:34 pm

Jesus is God in Man, does that make him God alone, no . Christ is the anointed one of God. This means Christ is the unification of Gods and Man.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:14 am

JOHN 1:1 The word was God
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 672#935672
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 680#935680

JOHN 1:1 The word was "divine"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 896#870896

JOHN 5:22 Jesus JUDGES
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 079#935079

JOHN 5:23 "as they honour the Father"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 409#935409

JOHN 5:58 I AM
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 271#367271

RELATED POSTS : The "I AM" texts

John 8:58
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 842#935842

John 8:24
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 863#935863

John 13 :19
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 868#935868

John 18:4-8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 870#935870

Mark 14:62
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 192#936192
JOHN 10: 30 "I and the Father are one"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 476#935476

JOHN 10: 33 "you, being a man, make yourself God"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 519#935519

JOHN 14:9 "seen me hath seen the Father"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 819#420819

JOHN 20: 28 "my Lord and my God"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 799#917799

[Continued below ....]

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:52 am

Continued from post #102 above ...

ACTS 3:15 "author of life..."
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 277#936277

2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 "grace of Jesus Christ", .. " love of God " "fellowship of the holy Spirit "
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 055#936055

EPHESIANS 1:22-23 "head over all things"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 039#935039

PHILIPIANS

PHILIPPIANS 2:6a "Christ in God's form"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 984#935984
Trigger
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 413#806413
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 674#806674

PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 "he did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 798#872798

PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11 "every knee shall bend"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 358#935358

PHILIPPIANS 3:20-21 "the power [of Christ]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 916#934916

COLOSSIANS

COLOSSIANS 1:15 Firstborn of Creation
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 885#934885

COLOSSIANS 1:15 "firstborn of all creation"" (prototokos)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 218#867218

COLOSSIANS 1:16 "all things were created by (dia) him" Col 1:16b
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 193#925193
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 901#934901

COLOSSIANS 1:17 "he is before all, and by him all things consist"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 886#934886

COLOSSIANS 1:19 "the fullness dwells in [Jesus]"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 881#934881

COLOSSIANS 2:3 "Christ, in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 988#934988

COLOSSIANS 2:9 "the fullness deals in [Jesus]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 881#934881

COLOSSIANS 3:11 "Christ is all and in all"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 073#935073

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:20 am

Continued from post #103 above ...

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**AUTHORITY **

Was Jesus authority ABSOLUTE?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 99#p936599

Did Jesus place his words on the same level as Gods?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 02#p936602

** TITLES **

Judge
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 79#p935079

Jesus's statements of subordination
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 31#p335731

Scriptural reasons to conclude Jesus is not Almighty God
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 72#p751572

Is Jesus "divine"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 96#p870896

Did the Pharisees really believe Jesus had claimed to be Almighty God YHWH (John 10:33)?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 04#p815104

Did early Christians believe in the trinity?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 40#p858140

Was Jesus the YHWH of the "Old Testament"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 96#p863696

Why is the word "trinity" not in the bible?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 86#p865186

FURTHER READING

Full scripture index
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com ... index.html

Trinity "proof" texts debunked
http://onlytruegod.org/defense/trinity_prooftexts.htm