Infallible that there are only Catholics in heaven

[polonius]

Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy).

"Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5].

….Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Here's a teaching which meets the requirements for an infallible papal teaching (ex cathedra).

Do even Catholic believe it anymore?

Before Vatican II, there were about 14 infallible papal teachings. Now we're down to two, and it's arguable if they meet the requirement for papal infallibility.

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Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy).

"Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5].

….Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Here's a teaching which meets the requirements for an infallible papal teaching (ex cathedra).

Do even Catholic believe it anymore?

Before Vatican II, there were about 14 infallible papal teachings. Now we're down to two, and it's arguable if they meet the requirement for papal infallibility.

The position of Roman Pontif originated with the high priests of the Roman pagan church, who were in charge of the gods and the calendar. Julius Caesar, after he cross the Rubicon, usurped that position as Pontif, and subsequent to his death, he was made a god by the Senate. His succesors, the Augusts Caesars, inherited his position and god head, and the instituter of the Roman Catholic church, Constantine, under the position of the Roman Pontif, convened the Council of Nicaea, and instituted the Roman Church with its false doctrine of the Trinity, built upon the foundations of the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), Peter, and his heir, the pope, who was to inherit the position of keeper of the gods, and calendar. The pope will "fall", and those "hanging" on to him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25).

RESPONSE: And what evidence do you have supporting your claims?

What claims? If you want background on Constantine and his position as Pontif, read "Constantine the Great: the man and his times" by the British historian Michael Grant. A short enquiry on widipedia would give short answers to any other questions. The solar calendar produced by the dictator and Pontif, Julius Caesar would be the Julian calendar. The solar calendar produced by the papal pontif would be the Gregorian calendar. Both solar calendars worshipping the the sun god, the dragon, and his beast. The months of August and July, worship Julius Caesar (Revelation 13:4), and his "healed" Augustus Caesar (Revelation 13:3).

[polonius]

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What claims? If you want background on Constantine and his position as Pontif, read "Constantine the Great: the man and his times" by the British historian Michael Grant. A short enquiry on widipedia would give short answers to any other questions. The solar calendar produced by the dictator and Pontif, Julius Caesar would be the Julian calendar. The solar calendar produced by the papal pontif would be the Gregorian calendar. Both solar calendars worshipping the the sun god, the dragon, and his beast. The months of August and July, worship Julius Caesar (Revelation 13:4), and his "healed" Augustus Caesar (Revelation 13:3).

RESPONSE: You seem very off topic. We're not talking about the development of the calendar. The topic is: "Infallible that there are only Catholics in heaven "

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, but here are the facts of history from various cited historians regarding Constantine and the Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constanti ... _religions

“Constantine's position on the religions traditionally practiced in Rome evolved during his reign. In fact, his coinage and other official motifs, until 325, had affiliated him with the pagan cult of Sol Invictus. At first, Constantine encouraged the construction of new temples[34]and tolerated traditional sacrifices;[11] by the end of his reign, he had begun to order the pillaging and tearing down of Roman temples.�

Gerberding, R. and J. H. Moran Cruz, Medieval Worlds (New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004)

R. MacMullen, "Christianizing The Roman Empire A.D.100-400, Yale University Press, 1984, ISBN 0-300-03642-6

"A History of the Church", Philip Hughes, Sheed & Ward, rev ed 1949, vol I chapter 6.[1]

Eusebius Pamphilius and Schaff, Philip (Editor) and McGiffert, Rev. Arthur Cushman, Ph.D. (Translator) NPNF2-01. Eusebius Pamphilius: Church History, Life of Constantine, Oration in Praise of Constantine quote: "he razed to their foundations those of them which had been the chief objects of superstitious reverence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_papacy

“During the Early Church, the bishops of Rome enjoyed no temporal power until the time of Constantine. After the fall of Rome (the "Middle Ages", about 476), “

The pope will "fall", and those "hanging" on to him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25).

RESPONSE: Evidently, I don’t read Isaiah 22: 25 as you do. For example, I don’t find any mention of the Pope.

Incidentally, Constantine was baptized as a Christian on his deathbed by an Arian bishop Eusebius.

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What claims? If you want background on Constantine and his position as Pontif, read "Constantine the Great: the man and his times" by the British historian Michael Grant. A short enquiry on widipedia would give short answers to any other questions. The solar calendar produced by the dictator and Pontif, Julius Caesar would be the Julian calendar. The solar calendar produced by the papal pontif would be the Gregorian calendar. Both solar calendars worshipping the the sun god, the dragon, and his beast. The months of August and July, worship Julius Caesar (Revelation 13:4), and his "healed" Augustus Caesar (Revelation 13:3).

RESPONSE: You seem very off topic. We're not talking about the development of the calendar. The topic is: "Infallible that there are only Catholics in heaven "

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, but here are the facts of history from various cited historians regarding Constantine and the Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constanti ... _religions

“Constantine's position on the religions traditionally practiced in Rome evolved during his reign. In fact, his coinage and other official motifs, until 325, had affiliated him with the pagan cult of Sol Invictus. At first, Constantine encouraged the construction of new temples[34]and tolerated traditional sacrifices;[11] by the end of his reign, he had begun to order the pillaging and tearing down of Roman temples.�

Gerberding, R. and J. H. Moran Cruz, Medieval Worlds (New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004)

R. MacMullen, "Christianizing The Roman Empire A.D.100-400, Yale University Press, 1984, ISBN 0-300-03642-6

"A History of the Church", Philip Hughes, Sheed & Ward, rev ed 1949, vol I chapter 6.[1]

Eusebius Pamphilius and Schaff, Philip (Editor) and McGiffert, Rev. Arthur Cushman, Ph.D. (Translator) NPNF2-01. Eusebius Pamphilius: Church History, Life of Constantine, Oration in Praise of Constantine quote: "he razed to their foundations those of them which had been the chief objects of superstitious reverence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_papacy

“During the Early Church, the bishops of Rome enjoyed no temporal power until the time of Constantine. After the fall of Rome (the "Middle Ages", about 476), “

The pope will "fall", and those "hanging" on to him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25).

RESPONSE: Evidently, I don’t read Isaiah 22: 25 as you do. For example, I don’t find any mention of the Pope.

Incidentally, Constantine was baptized as a Christian on his deathbed by an Arian bishop Eusebius.

The original Pontifex Maximus, took care of the pagan gods and the calendar. As Pontifex Maximus, Julius Caesar, changed the calendar. As Pontifex Maximus, the pontiff of the Roman church, Pope Gregory changed the calendar. Besides taking care of the gods, that was the duty of the Pontifex Maximus. The Augustus Caesars took over the office of Pontifex Maximus, and it was eventually passed onto the Pope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_ ... s_pontifex

Duties[edit]
The main duty of the Pontifices was to maintain the pax deorum or "peace of the gods."[32][33][34]
The immense authority of the sacred college of pontiffs was centered on the Pontifex Maximus, the other pontifices forming his consilium or advising body. His functions were partly sacrificial or ritualistic, but these were the least important. His real power lay in the administration of ius divinum or divine law;[35] the information collected by the pontifices related to the Roman religious tradition was bound in a corpus which summarized dogma and other concepts. The chief departments of jus divinum may be described as follows:
The regulation of all expiatory ceremonials needed as a result of pestilence, lightning, etc.
The consecration of all temples and other sacred places and objects dedicated to the gods.
The regulation of the calendar; both astronomically and in detailed application to the public life of the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Augu ... v56230.jpg

As for Constantine's god, Sol Invictus, Sol Invictus was inserted into the Roman Christian Church. In 321 AD Constantine made a decree that the day of rest would be on the Sol Invictus's "day of the sun", Sunday, and no one could buy or sell, for he shut down the markets. The Church also adopted Sol Invictus' birthday, the 25th of December, as the birth day of Christ.

Augustus Caesars were infallable because they were the "healed" Caesar (Revelation 13:3), who was made a god by the Roman Senate, and who were now the Pontifex Maximus of the pagan religion. The pope, a Pontifex Maximus, is also considered infallable, but as with the heads of the beast of Rome, the pope will fall along with the 7 headed beast upon whom his church sits (Revelation 17:3) & (Revelation 18:21).

By the way, it was Constantine's man Friday, Eusebius, who wrote that he, a one time leader of the Arians, who baptised Constantine. According to Eusebius, the historians can, and often do make up history to suit their own agenda. Constantine convened the Nicaean Council to unite his empire, not to believe anything about the religion that came out of it. The Christian mold was a product of Constantine's mother, and not Constantine. His god was the god of power and war.



The bottom line is that Constantine is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and those that follow the dogma of the church he instituted, have the "mark of the beast". (Revelation 13:11).

[RightReason]

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We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5].

Do even Catholic believe it anymore?

Yes! Of course. This is still true. Outside the Church there is no salvation. What you don’t understand is how that plays out. It does not mean non Catholics cannot or will not be saved. It simply means – all salvation comes by way of the Church. We will all be saved by Christ’s Church – that is the means to our salvation. Let’s say you are a Lutheran or even Jewish and you die. God is all knowing and all just. He knows what’s in the heart. He knows whether it is thru circumstances or fault of your own how/why you did the things you did or ended up where you did. And He will judge accordingly and can choose to open heaven to you. Of course, once we die truth will be apparent. All will be able to see that the Catholic Church is in fact Christ’s Church on earth and quite frankly all will have to acknowledge this truth and submit or profess belief in His Church. In that sense, it is perfectly true to say all salvation comes by way of the Church. It will be thru the Church that we are saved. Now how that pans out – who is to say? Even for those in the Church a period of purification may be necessary before entering God’s Kingdom. Thank God for His mercy and for His Church!

*polonius advice, I keep noticing you seem to get an awful lot wrong regarding the Catholic Church. Perhaps, next time, before starting a thread, you might want to PM me and I can set you straight

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We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5].

Do even Catholic believe it anymore?

Yes! Of course. This is still true. Outside the Church there is no salvation. What you don’t understand is how that plays out. It does not mean non Catholics cannot or will not be saved. It simply means – all salvation comes by way of the Church. We will all be saved by Christ’s Church – that is the means to our salvation. Let’s say you are a Lutheran or even Jewish and you die. God is all knowing and all just. He knows what’s in the heart. He knows whether it is thru circumstances or fault of your own how/why you did the things you did or ended up where you did. And He will judge accordingly and can choose to open heaven to you. Of course, once we die truth will be apparent. All will be able to see that the Catholic Church is in fact Christ’s Church on earth and quite frankly all will have to acknowledge this truth and submit or profess belief in His Church. In that sense, it is perfectly true to say all salvation comes by way of the Church. It will be thru the Church that we are saved. Now how that pans out – who is to say? Even for those in the Church a period of purification may be necessary before entering God’s Kingdom. Thank God for His mercy and for His Church!

*polonius advice, I keep noticing you seem to get an awful lot wrong regarding the Catholic Church. Perhaps, next time, before starting a thread, you might want to PM me and I can set you straight

Actually the "white throne judgment" is not about your false beliefs, but about "everyone" being judged according to their deeds (Revelation 20:13)

Revelation 20:13 NASB
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Your Roman church was institutionalized per the Council of Nicaea, convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine, one of the heads of the beast (Revelation 13), who was the "beast with two horns like a lamb", who was to deceive "those who dwell on the earth". The result being that those following the dogmas of Constantine's Roman church, would carry the mark of the beast, and drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10).

[RightReason]

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Actually the "white throne judgment" is not about your false beliefs, but about "everyone" being judged according to their deeds (Revelation 20:13)


Revelation 20:13 NASB
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Rev 20:13 does not contradict a single thing the Church teaches.

Your Roman church was institutionalized per the Council of Nicaea, convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself and Peter was the first Pope.

the "beast with two horns like a lamb"

You aren’t the first anti-Catholic to falsely interpret Scripture and what is meant by the beast. I have a feeling you get lots of other things wrong too.

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Actually the "white throne judgment" is not about your false beliefs, but about "everyone" being judged according to their deeds (Revelation 20:13)


Revelation 20:13 NASB
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Rev 20:13 does not contradict a single thing the Church teaches.

Your Roman church was institutionalized per the Council of Nicaea, convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself and Peter was the first Pope.

the "beast with two horns like a lamb"

You aren’t the first anti-Catholic to falsely interpret Scripture and what is meant by the beast. I have a feeling you get lots of other things wrong too.

The pope, or supreme pontiff, originated with the Pontifex Maximus, who was the keeper of the Roman gods, and was an ancient fixture of Roman life, whose office was taken over by Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast, and his healed self (Revelaltion 13:3), Augustus Caesar, and eventually transferred to the religious head of the Roman Church.

The pope, also known as the supreme pontiff, is the Bishop of Rome and therefore ex officio the leader of the worldwide Catholic Church. The primacy of the Roman bishop is largely derived from his role as the apostolic successor to Saint Peter, to whom Jesus is said to have given the Keys of Heaven and the powers of "binding and loosing", naming him as the "rock" upon which the church would be built. Since the 1860s, the pope has also been head of state of Vatican City. https://www.bing.com/search?q=meaning+o ... lang=en-US

Yeshua was to fulfill the "law and the prophets" (Matthew 5:17). The prophecy that Yeshua fulfilled with choosing Peter and Judas was (Zechariah 11:17), and (Zechariah 11:13). Peter was chosen to be the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16). With respect to Peter being given the keys, well that prophecy is with respect to Isaiah 22:15-25, whereas Peter represented Shebna, the head of the household, who shamed his master's house, whereas the pope would represent Eliakim, Shebna's heir, who was given the key of the house of David, whereas, "when he opens no one will shut" (Isaiah 22:22), who will eventually "fall", and anyone hanging onto him, will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25).

[RightReason]

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derived from his role as the apostolic successor to Saint Peter, to whom Jesus is said to have given the Keys of Heaven and the powers of "binding and loosing", naming him as the "rock" upon which the church would be built.

This is correct. And Scriptural so ironic to add the phrase to whom Jesus is said to have given. In fact, as we see in Scripture Jesus did say these words.

Everything else you posted is simply anti-Catholic propaganda that you have chosen to share <sigh>

[polonius]

derived from his role as the apostolic successor to Saint Peter, to whom Jesus is said to have given the Keys of Heaven and the powers of "binding and loosing", naming him as the "rock" upon which the church would be built.

This is correct. And Scriptural so ironic to add the phrase to whom Jesus is said to have given. In fact, as we see in Scripture Jesus did say these words.

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"(The following information is from ACMTC Library and BenWilliamsLibrary.com)
Let's start by defining the word. ." In Scotland, it was "kirk."

The following entries are from the Oxford Universal English Dictionary:

Church [Old English cirice, circe; Middle English chereche, chiriche, chirche; whence churche, cherche, etc.: -Greek Kuriakon...

Since the word "church" did not yet exist until long after Jesus' time, he obviously
didn't use it, so in spite what now appears in scripture, Jesus never said that.

And keep in mind that the four evangelists wrote between 70 and 95 AD, and were not witnesses to what Jesus said.

[RightReason]

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And keep in mind that the four evangelists wrote between 70 and 95 AD, and were not witnesses to what Jesus said.

Yes, do keep that in mind. Proving it was via Sacred Tradition that we receive our instruction.