Is it enough to be born again, washed in the blood

[Elijah John]

To obtain salvation, is it enough to be "born again and washed in the blood"?

Or does one also need:

1) to be baptized,
2) be willing to forgive others,
3) eat the body and drink the blood of Christ,
4) confess Christ before others,
5) believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead,
6) keep the commandments, and
7) tread the straight and narrow?

Are all these other things, "works"? Is salvation* a "born again" event? Or a process of staying on the straight and narrow path?

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* "salvation" defined as inheriting eternal life, the attainment of Heaven and the avoidance of hell.

[myth-one.com]

Is salvation* a "born again" event? Or a process of staying on the straight and narrow path?

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* "salvation" defined as inheriting eternal life, . . .

Yes, salvation is a "born again" event.

Once one inherits eternal life, it cannot be taken away -- by definition of eternal.

Jesus said that if one does not forgive one's neighbor, neither will the Father forgive them. He made no exeption for those "washed in the blood" or the twice born.

What do you make of that, and the other conditions for salvaiton that I have listed drawn from the NT? And the "endures to the end" requirement that others have mentioned. How do those things fit into the "OSAS" theology?

The Bible defines two type of beings:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

Each of these two different body types require a unique and different type of birth:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

Man is born of the flesh as a natural physical body which will perish, while God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings which cannot perish.

Two type of beings -- natural and spiritual. One mortal and the other immortal.

And they do not mix. Writing to believers, Paul states regarding their bodies:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So if a being is born of flesh into the natural bodied world -- the only way he or she can gain everlasting life (salvation from death) is to be born a second time or "born again of the Spirit" as a spiritual bodied being.

Can you propose and defend any other path to everlasting life?

Here's how Jesus put it:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

So to gain everlasting life one must be born again of the Spirit.

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But once one gains everlasting life by being born again as a spirit -- no other conditions must be met to retain that salvation.

You could curse God, make war, shoot someone on 5th Avenue, or whatever, but you can never be killed!

So once born again as a spirit, you can never exit that life -- even if you wanted to.

That is why the natural comes first and the spiritual comes afterwards.

A natural bodied being can choose to permanently exit out of life, but a spiritual bodied being has no choice but to live forever. That is the answer to Paul's "howbeit" question.

So "once saved always saved" is a true statement.
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But having said that, note that to date no one has been saved.

The conditions you mentioned are requirements to become heirs unto salvation:

That being justified by his grace, we (believers) should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:7)

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ ... (Romans 8:16-17)

Believers receive their inheritance at the Second Coming, when they are born again of the Spirit.

Believing insures our future salvation.

As believers, we should continue to meet the conditions you listed and as Jesus taught us.

In a sense, He is our big brother -- being an equal joint heir unto everlasting life.

[myth-one.com]

What's with John McCain jingoism banner on this forum?

Jingoism definition: Jingoism is nationalism in the form of aggressive foreign policy, such as a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests.

(I had to look that one up)

For any viewers who are not logged in, the following is my present "signature":




John McCain,

He served his country well!

Back when honor and integrity mattered -- He made America Great!



My intent was not to portray Senator McCain as a war warmonger or myself as Jingoistic.

I can find little honor, courage, integrity, honesty, or love of country over party in politics today -- now that Senator John McCain was taken from the field.

He wanted to be remembered as a man who served his country.

I'm OK with that.

[starthrower]

It's in bad taste. It's in my face. It has nothing to do with the subject of this forum. That's my 2 cents.

[myth-one.com]

It's in bad taste. It's in my face. It has nothing to do with the subject of this forum. That's my 2 cents.

After the White House raised their flag to full staff prematurely, I had to say something about an American Hero whom the White House wanted to quickly forget!

I can't imagine anyone not being upset at how his passing was handled by the White House.

Note that "signatures" do not have to be associated with the forum's subject.

The man asked to be remembered for his service to his country.

I regret and apologize for nothing!

[ttruscott]

To obtain salvation, is it enough to be "born again and washed in the blood"?

Or does one also need:

What in this (expanded) list was available to the thief on the cross beside the Lord? If he did achieve all these things then, when? How? Are we ignorant of his religious life or are the things on the list PROOFS of a rebirth, not the cause of a rebirth?

I contend that the only thing necessary to be chosen as elect was faith in the Christ as our saviour with an implied (at least) consent to YHWH's deity. And once the person chose by their free will to be sinful in YHWH's sight, their faith which became the promise of election, salvation, is all that is necessary for the fulfillment of the election promise of salvation. NO worldly works are necessary to (force) salvation; No worldly works are necessary to fulfill salvation...only faith in the Son as your saviour has that power. The rest is churchianity...

[starthrower]

It's in bad taste. It's in my face. It has nothing to do with the subject of this forum. That's my 2 cents.

After the White House raised their flag to full staff prematurely, I had to say something about an American Hero whom the White House wanted to quickly forget!

I can't imagine anyone not being upset at how his passing was handled by the White House.

Note that "signatures" do not have to be associated with the forum's subject.

The man asked to be remembered for his service to his country.

I regret and apologize for nothing!

Fine, but it's a subject for another forum. And by this time we all know our esteemed president is intent on lowering the bar until it's underground. This shouldn't be a shock at this point, but this thread is about religious doctrines, not American politics. So why don't you respect that much? Practice what you preach, brother.