The Gospel of John quotes Jesus as saying "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you."
For debate,
-Did King David, Moses, Elijah or any of the other heroes or heroines of the "Old" Testament/Hebrew Bible eat the flesh or drink the blood of the Messiah?
-If so, how so? If not, did they have any "life" in them? The kind Jesus was speaking of in John? (presumably eternal life)
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Elijah John
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Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood...
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Re: Who claimed Jesus was God?
Post #41[Replying to post 38 by polonius.advice]
So you believe none of the books of the New Testament existed before the year 85A.D.?
So you believe none of the books of the New Testament existed before the year 85A.D.?
Post #42
[Replying to post 35 by Elijah John]
Jesus established a church, priesthood and the words of consecration. Making it possible for the Eucharistic sacrifice to be present to us till the end of the age.
Jesus established a church, priesthood and the words of consecration. Making it possible for the Eucharistic sacrifice to be present to us till the end of the age.
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Post #43
That may be the RCC spin. However, the term eucharist comes the Greek reference to one of the b'ruchah(blessings) that Yeshua spoke as part of the Pesach Seder. It was not new but was given added significance by Yeshua. As to Yeshua establishing a priesthood, I find that nowhere in the accounts.Jack wrote: [Replying to post 35 by Elijah John]
Jesus established a church, priesthood and the words of consecration. Making it possible for the Eucharistic sacrifice to be present to us till the end of the age.
Post #44
[Replying to post 41 by bluethread]
The Passover feast is perfected by Jesus. The account of the last supper in the synoptic gospels is the 3rd cup the part that the sacrificial lamb is consumed, but all that's mentioned it bread and wine. Jesus offers the words of consecration changing the bread and wine into his body and blood. Now they consume the bread which is now his body . Don't you ever wonder why they call Jesus the Lamb of God? He is the sacrificial lamb.
He told his Apostles "do this in remembrance of me", instituting the priesthood.
The 4th cup of the Passover he drinks on the cross and proclaims the Passover sacrifice over "it is finished".
The Passover feast is perfected by Jesus. The account of the last supper in the synoptic gospels is the 3rd cup the part that the sacrificial lamb is consumed, but all that's mentioned it bread and wine. Jesus offers the words of consecration changing the bread and wine into his body and blood. Now they consume the bread which is now his body . Don't you ever wonder why they call Jesus the Lamb of God? He is the sacrificial lamb.
He told his Apostles "do this in remembrance of me", instituting the priesthood.
The 4th cup of the Passover he drinks on the cross and proclaims the Passover sacrifice over "it is finished".
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Post #45
[Replying to post 42 by Jack]
He told his Apostles "do this in remembrance of me", instituting the priesthood.
He tells His apostles to eat and drink of Him and to keep doing that in remembrance of Him.
How is that instituting a priesthood?
Peace to you!
He told his Apostles "do this in remembrance of me", instituting the priesthood.
He tells His apostles to eat and drink of Him and to keep doing that in remembrance of Him.
How is that instituting a priesthood?
Peace to you!
Post #46
[Replying to RightReason]
No, this is incorrect…The Christ is the "Son of God," not God or the Supreme Entity.
There are many bible verses that address the Christ, as the Son of God. However, there is not one that addresses him as God, not even John 1:1. Yet, there were many opportunities for the Christ to claim that he was God, but he didn't. Actually, he disclaimed this idea in: Matthew 27:46, Mark 10:18 and John 20:17.
RightReason wrote:Seriously? Dude – He’s also God.
No, this is incorrect…The Christ is the "Son of God," not God or the Supreme Entity.
There are many bible verses that address the Christ, as the Son of God. However, there is not one that addresses him as God, not even John 1:1. Yet, there were many opportunities for the Christ to claim that he was God, but he didn't. Actually, he disclaimed this idea in: Matthew 27:46, Mark 10:18 and John 20:17.
Re: Who claimed Jesus was God?
Post #47RESPONSE:Jack wrote: [Replying to post 38 by polonius.advice]
So you believe none of the books of the New Testament existed before the year 85A.D.?
On what are you basing your question? I made no such claim. For the record, the first book in New Testament is Paul's 1 Thessalonians written at the end of 52 AD. Paul was killed in 64 AD. Next came the Book of Mark written about 70 AD. Matthew and Luke's (copying heavily from Mark) were written about 80 AD. And John's gospel was written about 95 AD or shortly thereafter.
Post #48
[Replying to post 43 by tam]
A priest performes the sacrifice. No priest no sacrifice. That is why Jesus is the High Priest. The unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood under the sense perceptive signs of bread and wine are Jesus's sacrifice. The priest is the tool God uses to perform the sacrifice in the person of Christ.
A priest performes the sacrifice. No priest no sacrifice. That is why Jesus is the High Priest. The unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood under the sense perceptive signs of bread and wine are Jesus's sacrifice. The priest is the tool God uses to perform the sacrifice in the person of Christ.
Re: Who claimed Jesus was God?
Post #49[Replying to post 45 by polonius.advice]
There are many places in the bible that teach Jesus is God.
There are many places in the bible that teach Jesus is God.
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Post #50
Jack wrote: [Replying to post 43 by tam]
A priest performes the sacrifice. No priest no sacrifice. That is why Jesus is the High Priest.
Yes Christ performed the sacrifice of Himself.
Christ Himself.
It is already done.
No other priest is sacrificing themselves.
(The rest of us, beginning with the apostles, are simply partaking of His sacrifice).
You are adding a condition that is not required and that Christ did not give. I do not understand why you are doing that.The unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood under the sense perceptive signs of bread and wine are Jesus's sacrifice. The priest is the tool God uses to perform the sacrifice in the person of Christ.
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
