Did Jesus come in disguise?

[Wootah]

Assuming the story as true.

Did Jesus birth and later actions reflect that he came in disguise, hidden from the world and hiding his intentions?

As one example. His birth is the total opposite of what we expected for a king.

As another example. His servant like attitude is the total opposite of a king.

Did Jesus come in disguise?

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus most certainly did become king; he never became king during his earthly ministry, he was made king after his death and subsequent resurrection to heaven.

But you could hardly call that "prophesy fulfilled". There's no way to verify that this outrageous supernatural claim ever actually happened.

Which prophecy are you refering to? If you are speaking about the prophecies in the scriptures I rdfered to in my [post #7 above, I most certainly can and do call them fulfilled.

As for your classifying Jesus' claims as "outrageous" that may b be what you believe in your heart but I do not share your beliefs. The reality is Jesus provided more than enough proof while on earth for honest hearted men and women of faith to have confidence that he would fulfil yet future messianic promises. Jesus came for men and women of faith who proved they were such by identifying Jesus as the Messianic and believing what he promised.

JW

[polonius]

Perhaps the most important prophecy of the messiah was that he would would sit on the throne of David and be a king of the Jews who restored the rule to Israel.

Of course, he never did this and in fact was crucified because of the claim.

[FWI]

[Replying to post 10 by Divine Insight]

That doesn't match up with the Gospels rumors. According to the Gospel rumors the coming of a messiah was indeed expected to be imminent. In fact, many secular naturalists point to this fact as it explains what actually sparked these rumors. John the Baptist was preaching of the coming of the messiah.

So to say that this wasn't expected makes no sense.

What doesn't make sense, is expecting others to trust in rumors over tradition.

[Divine Insight]

Perhaps the most important prophecy of the messiah was that he would would sit on the throne of David and be a king of the Jews who restored the rule to Israel.

Of course, he never did this and in fact was crucified because of the claim.

Exactly. Jesus did not fulfill the prophesy of the messiah. So there's no way that Jesus could be the messiah in this religion.

The Christians try to "fix" this error by claiming that Jesus was the King of the Jews anyway and that he will return at some future time to actually sit in the throne of David.

But the problem with this is that all they are doing here is proclaiming that this prophesy will be fulfilled at some time in the far future. That's hardly prophesy fulfilled.

[Wootah]

The problem with "Jesus didn't fit the Jews expectations" is that you assume the expectations were correct. It seems likely to me at least that Jewsish expectations were tainted by their past suffering and not by God's viewpoint.

[marco]

Assuming the story as true.

Did Jesus birth and later actions reflect that he came in disguise, hidden from the world and hiding his intentions?

As one example. His birth is the total opposite of what we expected for a king.

As another example. His servant like attitude is the total opposite of a king.

Did Jesus come in disguise?

How was he expected to come? For thirty years people heard next to nothing about him. Those who knew him, family and neighbours, saw nothing exceptional in him, prompting Jesus to comment that a prophet goes unrecognised among his own. The people best able to judge, the Jews, seem to have rejected him. So yes, he came and went disguised as an ordinary man. The critical evidence of this is that before he died he asked :"Who do men say that I am?" and he got a variety of suggestions. So he came pretty well disguised.

[brianbbs67]

Assuming the story as true.

Did Jesus birth and later actions reflect that he came in disguise, hidden from the world and hiding his intentions?

As one example. His birth is the total opposite of what we expected for a king.

As another example. His servant like attitude is the total opposite of a king.

Did Jesus come in disguise?

How was he expected to come? For thirty years people heard next to nothing about him. Those who knew him, family and neighbours, saw nothing exceptional in him, prompting Jesus to comment that a prophet goes unrecognised among his own. The people best able to judge, the Jews, seem to have rejected him. So yes, he came and went disguised as an ordinary man. The critical evidence of this is that before he died he asked :"Who do men say that I am?" and he got a variety of suggestions. So he came pretty well disguised.

Well there was one insight in the 30 years. Forgotten in the Temple, amazing the staff. But, I agree, what happened in the "lost" years?

[marco]

Well there was one insight in the 30 years. Forgotten in the Temple, amazing the staff. But, I agree, what happened in the "lost" years?

I think this incident is placed there with deliberate calculation. Luke mentions the incident of 12-year old Jesus lost in the Temple specifically to emphasise the talents of the man to come. It is as poetic as the imaginative genealogy of Jesus and the angelic annunciation.

Luke probably felt there was something missing too and supplied this insight. There is a ring of fiction about the details in Luke 2: 39 -52

"[39] When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth. [40] And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him. "

Jesus GREW; Jesus became STRONG; he was filled with Wisdom. We can hazard a wild guess at this as well and the info suggests the writer has absolutely no knowledge of his subject here.