What did John mean?

[marco]

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus was the incarnation of this word; he walked around disseminating truth and saw himself as the metaphorical Truth in that his speech reflected what God prescribed; he obtained all power and authority from God, though he wasn't God of course, just the conveyor of the logos.

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So would It be fair that the theological conclusion you verbalize in the quoted portion above harmonizes with the view held by Jehovah's Witnesses (who I can here inform you) do not believe Jesus to be God but someone that he obtained all power and authority from God) ?

[marco]

So would It be fair that the theological conclusion you verbalize in the quoted portion above harmonizes with the view held by Jehovah's Witnesses (who I can here inform you) do not believe Jesus to be God but someone that he obtained all power and authority from God) ?

Odd though it may seem, JW, the conclusion I reach is yours. I'm always suspicious of coming to a view based on a past participle, an article, a present tense, a subjunctive or a departure from a normal case ending. We may have taken different paths through the wood but we come to the same point. But please don't sign me up yet! Go well.

[ttruscott]

[William]

[Replying to post 20 by marco]

But please don't sign me up yet!

*Chuckles*


Have to work out which is 'the word of GOD' Jesus or the bible.

One could argue I suppose, that the bible existed as a potential right there before the beginning, but then one would also have to include everything else.

Perhaps an experiment of sorts could be done - assuming Jesus as the WoG and in that making the words attributed to him the authority and anything else in the bible which obviously goes against/contradicts his words, can be discarded.

Then see what might be left over...

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 22 by William]

Very interesting test. Might be a fun exercise. I imagine the book would be much shorter, though.

[polonius]

[marco]

Something that "begins" is not eternal. (God had no beginning).

You may be misreading the text, Polonius. When it said: "In the beginning was the Word it need not, and probably does not, mean that God started then; rather it means that when all things began, there was the Word, existent for all time. You are taking the meaning to be "the beginning of the Word."


When it is said: In the beginning God made the Earth, the temporal phrase does not refer to God, who was there already at the beginning of things material..

[bjs]

[marco]

[marco]

[Replying to post 27 by marco]



As a footnote to the above there is a reconciliation between those who adore Jesus and those who say Jesus is NOT God. In a way both are correct.


Jesus is the incarnation of divine power and majesty; in him is light, salvation, direction to grace. So in honouring that, one is honouring God without saying a man is a god. Jesus is the incarnate manifestation of God.

Those who say that the man who walked round lake and mountain is not God are correct too; they are the temporary clothes God chose, so one would not worship a coat or hat.

If there's a parish in need of a pastor, Marco is ready on Monday! Good grief what has happened to my cynicism?