I have a new suggestion of the Trinity. God is our Father everyone can agree, Jesus is our savior and Son , but the holy spirit is nebulous , not clear as Father and Son. The HS is probably instead of holy spirit , holy Mother. Her characteristics as nurturer and comforter are what mothers do, Father Mother and Son make so much more sense than "holy spirit".
All creation reflects God and all creation is created nurtured and increased within the relationships of Father Mother and child. So the holy spirit is actually Holy Mother.
The Holy spirit is God's feminine nature, holy Mother
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Bad fruit? It must have been extraspecial for God to have gotten so upset about it.dio9 wrote: [Replying to tam]
I must point out, there would have been no need for a savior if Adam and Eve had not eaten the bad fruit .
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Enough said, I think you know what i am talking about.
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JehovahsWitness wrote:Where do you get the idea that Adam was present during Eves exchange with Satan?William wrote:
Adam did the same, but his sin also involved being present at the time Eve was being tempted and doing nothing to interfere with that process, ....
It is written.
That from the KJV. Now it does not surprise me that you would ask that question because the JW version say's it like this;6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
So perhaps the Jewish version will say something different from the above versions?6 Consequently the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something to be longed for to the eyes, yes, the tree was desirable to look upon.*+ So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband* when with her and he began eating it.+ 7 Then the eyes of both of them became opened and they began to realize that they were naked.+ Hence they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves.+
Nope. Looks like the JW version is the different one.6 And the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes, and the tree was desirable to make one wise; so she took of its fruit, and she ate, and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
♩ "One of these things is not like the other
Two of these things are both the same
Can you see which one is not like the others
Can you see therein Adam's great shame? ♬
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I am referring to the garden of Eden story where Eve and Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If they had not been expelled from Eden there would have been no need for a savior to restore the human race. The orthodox tradition call this the fall of Man. So I am saying if the first parents had not fallen there would be no need for a savior.Tcg wrote:Bad fruit? It must have been extraspecial for God to have gotten so upset about it.dio9 wrote: [Replying to tam]
I must point out, there would have been no need for a savior if Adam and Eve had not eaten the bad fruit .
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Enough said, I think you know what i am talking about.