For Biblical Literalists: the New Kingdom

[steveb1]

Question for those who believe that, after the end-times apocalypse, God, in Christ, will establish a new and perfect, literal, Kingdom of God on earth, from which all sin, injustice, disease and death have been purged and forever disallowed. The souls of the Saved will be rejoined to their former bodies - bodies which have undergone a rebirth into the form of, and with the preternatural gifts of, Adam. Such are said to be deathless, flawlessly healthy "resurrection bodies" immortal, and dwelling in a heaven that has been brought to earth and to an earth that has been, in effect, been raised to heavenly status.

For those who believe in the literal fulfillment of this scenario, what do you think it will look like? Will there be reproduction and sex? Will there be earthly desires at all? If not, why would we have bodies at all?
Will the Saved eat, drink, excrete?
If they no longer age and die, one would imagine that there would be no need for reproduction and hence no need for sex - and, depending on the "spirituality" of the resurrection body - perhaps no need to eat or drink at all.

Will the earth's topography - its oceans, streams, mountains and valleys - be transformed so that no tsunamis, earthquakes, crop viruses (will people even be keeping crops?), drought, natural famine, natural fires, volcanoes, etc., ever occur?

What about the non-human animals? Will the lion really lie down with the lamb? If so, what will the lion eat, and what will happen to his dentation, which is purposed toward predatory flesh-eating? What about mammalian and insect "pests", and the diseases they carry? Will they not survive the fires of the apocalypse, or will they, too, be reborn, but in a non-harmful state...?

Any ideas about what the remade earth might look like and behave would make interesting theological reading.

[steveb1]

Human beings are mortal because they die.

So are you saying that the saved will not be humans? If human beings are mortal but the saved will in your opinion be IMmortal, then are you not suggesting that the saved will not be human?

Please. Just stop putting up a smoke screen.

I have asked maybe three times now if you've got it straight on the difference between eternality and immortality. The two concepts are contradictory, but you have been conflating them.

So before I reply any more, I want you to address the question at hand:

Do you, or do you not, realize that eternality is not immortality - and vice-versa?

[JehovahsWitness]

Humans are designed to die. God created us with that characteristic.

GENESIS 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden,but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.�

So you don't believe that death is a punishment for disobeying God but that death is what God wanted for humans when he was designing them?

You believe that God wanted Adam and Eve to eat from the tree so that he could see them die because that was exactly what his purpse was for them ... to die?

[steveb1]

[Replying to post 42 by JehovahsWitness]

Look. I am still waiting for your reply to the issue:

Do you or do you not accept that eternality is not the same thing as immortality, and that the two concepts are contradictory?

This is the fourth time that I have requested a reply from you on this question.

[steveb1]

[Replying to post 42 by JehovahsWitness]

Okay. I've given you plenty of time and opportunity to state your agreement or disagreement with my claim that:


Eternality and immortality are different and contradictory concepts.


I've explained this several times, and have repeatedly asked you for a response.

Since you have not responded, after multiple requests, I can only make the assumption that you know that your definition of the terms was wrong, but are too shame-faced to admit it. Which, of course, is dishonest, because I proved your definitions were incorrect and you don't have the probity to admit it.

Therefore, this will be my final communication with you in the DC&R forums.

Goodbye.