John 14.6 contradicted

[Elijah John]

Psalm 145.17-18

Upright in all that he does, Yahweh acts only in faithful love. He is close to all who call upon him, all who call on him from the heart.

NJB

vs.

John 14.6

Jesus said: I am the Way; I am Truth and Life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

NJB


For debate: How can one reconcile these two seemingly contradictory verses. And if they cannot be reconciled, which one do you support as more authentic, more a reflection of the will of God, and why?

[101G]

It's the same Him.

So all All who call on Him are calling on Jesus.

YHWH - THE Hand reveals the nail reveals.

Him is Jesus.

YHWH = Jesus.

Question for you: How does psalm 145 alter your belief God only has to show mercy?

Alter or support? My position (supported by Scripture) that blood is not needed for forgiveness is in no way saying that I am against the notion of God's justice when necessary. Don't you think He has the infinite wisdom to temper justice with mercy on a case by case basis?

Also, by equating Jesus with Jehovah as the same "Him", makes John 14.6 non-senseical. "I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to me but by me." Really?? If it's the same "Him" then it is the same "Me" is it not?

Good post, but Wootah answered correctly.

and here's the supporting scripture.

Who made all thingd?

the Lord Jesus, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

now the LORD, all caps,
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".



one more, Who Laid the foundation of the Earth?

the Lord Jesus
Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands".

The LORD all caps.
Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him".

as Wootah said, the same person.

[polonius]

John 14.6

Quote:
Jesus said: I am the Way; I am Truth and Life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

RESPONSE: Only Christians in heaven then? What about the Jews and Muslims?

(Could this be another of Jesus' mistakes)?

[tam]

Peace to you!

John 14.6

Quote:
Jesus said: I am the Way; I am Truth and Life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

RESPONSE: Only Christians in heaven then? What about the Jews and Muslims?

(Could this be another of Jesus' mistakes)?

His words are not a mistake. Men may misunderstand about who enters the Kingdom to reign with Christ (those who are in Christ and who make up the Bride, and who come from EVERY tribe, nation, people and tongue) and who enters as a subject of that Kingdom (non-Christians, such as those who make up the sheep from the sheep and the goats parable).

But Christ did not speak in error.


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But here is a question for you (and for anyone else including EJ), that the Spirit has brought to my mind:


Was the entire nation of Israel permitted to enter into the Most Holy Place in the Temple?



Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Tcg]

Was the entire nation of Israel permitted to enter into the Most Holy Place in the Temple?

Of course not. Most specifically, no woman would ever be allowed in. No woman would be allowed into the presence of Bible God.

[brianbbs67]

Was the entire nation of Israel permitted to enter into the Most Holy Place in the Temple?

Of course not. Most specifically, no woman would ever be allowed in. No woman would be allowed into the presence of Bible God.

well thats not quite right. Eve was. Sarah was. It seems we have both been in His presence and still flail about.

[Tcg]

Was the entire nation of Israel permitted to enter into the Most Holy Place in the Temple?

Of course not. Most specifically, no woman would ever be allowed in. No woman would be allowed into the presence of Bible God.

well thats not quite right. Eve was. Sarah was. It seems we have both been in His presence and still flail about.

I was obviously referring to the presence of God in the Most Holy Place. And yes, no woman was allowed into the presence of Bible God.

[polonius]

John 6.37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,


Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,* but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

Yet another NT contradiction?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 11 by 101G]

That is circular reasoning. You are equating Jesus with the Creator spoken of in the Hebrew Bible (OT) based on a NT claim.

The verse you cite from the OT refers to Jehovah (LORD) not Jesus.

Where, in the Hebrew Bible is it ever taught that the Messiah created the Universe?

On the contrary:

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it;...

Isaiah 45.18

Again, the LORD refers to Yahweh/Jehovah, not Jesus. Not the Messiah.

So regarding John's claim this verse certainly seems to apply:

To his words make no addition, lest he reprove you and account you a liar.

Proverbs 30.6

John did what any of us could do. Make claims about another. I could claim that you created the universe, or that I did. Or that Otseng did. . My claim would not make any of that true. John, a human, was making an extraordinary claim about another human, Jesus. Where is the extraordinary proof?

[101G]

[Replying to post 11 by 101G]

That is circular reasoning. You are equating Jesus with the Creator spoken of in the Hebrew Bible (OT) based on a NT claim.

The verse you cite from the OT refers to Jehovah (LORD) not Jesus.

Where, in the Hebrew Bible is it ever taught that the Messiah created the Universe?

On the contrary:

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it;...

Isaiah 45.18

Again, the LORD refers to Yahweh/Jehovah, not Jesus. Not the Messiah.

So regarding John's claim this verse certainly seems to apply:

To his words make no addition, lest he reprove you and account you a liar.

Proverbs 30.6

ERROR on your Part, if you think this is circular reasoning, take the Revelation 1:1 test

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

who sent his angel to John, but read Revelation 22:6 first.

now was it the LORD whom you refers to Yahweh/Jehovah, or the Lord Jesus. remember read Revelation 22:6 also.

and when you finish, tell us who sent "HIS" angel.

I'll be waiting for your reply.

Peace In Christ Yeshua.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 11 by 101G]

That is circular reasoning. You are equating Jesus with the Creator spoken of in the Hebrew Bible (OT) based on a NT claim.

The verse you cite from the OT refers to Jehovah (LORD) not Jesus.

Where, in the Hebrew Bible is it ever taught that the Messiah created the Universe?

On the contrary:

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it;...

Isaiah 45.18

Again, the LORD refers to Yahweh/Jehovah, not Jesus. Not the Messiah.

So regarding John's claim this verse certainly seems to apply:

To his words make no addition, lest he reprove you and account you a liar.

Proverbs 30.6

ERROR on your Part, if you think this is circular reasoning, take the Revelation 1:1 test

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

who sent his angel to John, but read Revelation 22:6 first.

now was it the LORD whom you refers to Yahweh/Jehovah, or the Lord Jesus. remember read Revelation 22:6 also.

and when you finish, tell us who sent "HIS" angel.

I'll be waiting for your reply.

Peace In Christ Yeshua.

I recieved a revelation of Jesus Christ saying "they have it all wrong, I am not God."

Not buying it? I don't blame you. I recieved no such revelation. I could claim that I received this knowledge as revelation, but you wouldn't believe it and I wouldn't blame you.

What makes John's claim any more valid than mine? The popularity or the antiquity of a claim does not establish the truth of the matter.

Especially when those claims contradict Jesus own Bible, the Hebrew Bible. That is the "consitition" of Judaism and Christianity.

John's claims are "unconsititional".

Notice, that even NT Evangelists appealed to the Hebrew Bible to establish the veracity of their claim that Jesus was the Messiah, or that he was the Son of God. Only John attempted to make the fuzzy claim that he was God Himself.