I have a new suggestion of the Trinity. God is our Father everyone can agree, Jesus is our savior and Son , but the holy spirit is nebulous , not clear as Father and Son. The HS is probably instead of holy spirit , holy Mother. Her characteristics as nurturer and comforter are what mothers do, Father Mother and Son make so much more sense than "holy spirit".
All creation reflects God and all creation is created nurtured and increased within the relationships of Father Mother and child. So the holy spirit is actually Holy Mother.
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Re: The Holy spirit is God's feminine nature, holy Mother
Post #51[Replying to post 50 by dio9]
No, Mary is not to be worshipped, nor part of any Godhead(which I doubt exists ). Christ directs all praise and worship to our Heavenly Father. In all the RCC does to venerate her, they don't go quite that far.
No, Mary is not to be worshipped, nor part of any Godhead(which I doubt exists ). Christ directs all praise and worship to our Heavenly Father. In all the RCC does to venerate her, they don't go quite that far.
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Mary like Eve is the image of God's feminine nature just as every woman is the image of God's feminine nature.
Mary like Eve is the image of God's feminine nature just as every woman is the image of God's feminine nature.
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Post #53Mary was made from man. Thus the term wo-man. Every woman is not an image of God, just as every man is not(the same). Bipedal, mammal, male and female, sure. One rib, lots of knowledge and boom, woman. God made us incomplete thats why we search for completion. (if it is otherwise, why do we need a help mate?)dio9 wrote: [Replying to brianbbs67]
Mary like Eve is the image of God's feminine nature just as every woman is the image of God's feminine nature.
I will say, we can complete ourselves just fine with the knowledge left to us.(by God)
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You choose only one version of the creation of humanity. The first version , the seven days of creation version says otherwise, what about that? God created them in his image Male and female. The image of God is male and female.
You choose only one version of the creation of humanity. The first version , the seven days of creation version says otherwise, what about that? God created them in his image Male and female. The image of God is male and female.
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Post #55I attribute the "Our" to refer to the Host, which was with Him.dio9 wrote: [Replying to brianbbs67]
You choose only one version of the creation of humanity. The first version , the seven days of creation version says otherwise, what about that? God created them in his image Male and female. The image of God is male and female.
I , also, tend to believe their were at least 2 creations and that Adam and Eve were a separate experiment. Otherwise, how does Cain get a wife and why is Cain afraid people will kill him?
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Genesis says : "let us make man in our image". note the use of plural pronouns, us and our. It makes more sense to interpret this mystery as creation taking place between male and female give and take action. Father and Mother makes so much more sense than , God and a heavenly court of male angels. The Mother Father aspect of creation is expressed throughout the creation from bottom to top.
A heavenly court of angels a mythological based belief . Are we to believe the obvious or myth? Us and our is Father and Mother. The trinity affirms God is one with three persons a unified nature . I argue Holy Spirit person is the feminine aspect of God and the trinity is not of Father Son and Holy Spirit , but Father Mother and Son. The person of Mother is the Holy Spirit.
A heavenly court of angels a mythological based belief . Are we to believe the obvious or myth? Us and our is Father and Mother. The trinity affirms God is one with three persons a unified nature . I argue Holy Spirit person is the feminine aspect of God and the trinity is not of Father Son and Holy Spirit , but Father Mother and Son. The person of Mother is the Holy Spirit.
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Well, you can argue that. But, don't be surprised that no one follows or supports. Us means more than one in union, not necessarily man and woman.dio9 wrote: Genesis says : "let us make man in our image". note the use of plural pronouns, us and our. It makes more sense to interpret this mystery as creation taking place between male and female give and take action. Father and Mother makes so much more sense than , God and a heavenly court of male angels. The Mother Father aspect of creation is expressed throughout the creation from bottom to top.
A heavenly court of angels a mythological based belief . Are we to believe the obvious or myth? Us and our is Father and Mother. The trinity affirms God is one with three persons a unified nature . I argue Holy Spirit person is the feminine aspect of God and the trinity is not of Father Son and Holy Spirit , but Father Mother and Son. The person of Mother is the Holy Spirit.
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Re: The Holy spirit is God's feminine nature, holy Mother
Post #58Peace to you!
Just something that one of my sisters shared once that I loved (and that you might also find interesting), that your comment brought to mind:
Woman: man with a womb
We (women) are part of mankind. We (women) have wombs. (And yes, of course we have other parts and hormones and energy as well, those that probably go with having a womb, carrying a child, giving birth, etc.)
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As to "let us make man in our image", the "US" and the "OUR" are referring to God and His Son.
Christ says it Himself (as Wisdom, at Proverbs 8:30), that He was a master worksman at the Father's side:
“[The LORD] possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
when he established[d] the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, as a master workman,
and I was daily his[e] delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the children of man.
And of course John 1:3:
Through him (Christ) all things were made; without him (Christ) nothing was made that has been made.
And Paul as well:
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom ALL things came and through whom we exist. 1 Corinth 8:6
All things must naturally include Adam, yes?
Peace again to you!
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
brianbbs67 wrote:Mary was made from man. Thus the term wo-man. Every woman is not an image of God, just as every man is not(the same). Bipedal, mammal, male and female, sure. One rib, lots of knowledge and boom, woman. God made us incomplete thats why we search for completion. (if it is otherwise, why do we need a help mate?)dio9 wrote: [Replying to brianbbs67]
Mary like Eve is the image of God's feminine nature just as every woman is the image of God's feminine nature.
I will say, we can complete ourselves just fine with the knowledge left to us.(by God)
Just something that one of my sisters shared once that I loved (and that you might also find interesting), that your comment brought to mind:
Woman: man with a womb
We (women) are part of mankind. We (women) have wombs. (And yes, of course we have other parts and hormones and energy as well, those that probably go with having a womb, carrying a child, giving birth, etc.)
**
As to "let us make man in our image", the "US" and the "OUR" are referring to God and His Son.
Christ says it Himself (as Wisdom, at Proverbs 8:30), that He was a master worksman at the Father's side:
“[The LORD] possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
when he established[d] the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, as a master workman,
and I was daily his[e] delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the children of man.
And of course John 1:3:
Through him (Christ) all things were made; without him (Christ) nothing was made that has been made.
And Paul as well:
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom ALL things came and through whom we exist. 1 Corinth 8:6
All things must naturally include Adam, yes?
Peace again to you!
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
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Post #59[Replying to post 58 by tam]
I especially like the end of that.
31-36
"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."
I especially like the end of that.
31-36
"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."
Post #60
When God said Man he meant the generative , Mankind. Mankind is both man and woman together man and woman are Man. God made Man capital" M" in God's own image . As God is one , Man is one, male and female. Likewise all living things are male and female. there are male and female animals , trees, plants maleness and femaleness is ubiquitous. Perhaps the separation of maleness from femaleness is the fall of Man from God's original idea.
