The Holy spirit is God's feminine nature, holy Mother

[dio9]

I have a new suggestion of the Trinity. God is our Father everyone can agree, Jesus is our savior and Son , but the holy spirit is nebulous , not clear as Father and Son. The HS is probably instead of holy spirit , holy Mother. Her characteristics as nurturer and comforter are what mothers do, Father Mother and Son make so much more sense than "holy spirit".
All creation reflects God and all creation is created nurtured and increased within the relationships of Father Mother and child. So the holy spirit is actually Holy Mother.

[William]

[Replying to post 40 by marco]

Socrates would have agreed but we have to ask the right questions. To start off with the premise that we can find ourselves in the Abrahamic God is maybe setting off on the wrong path before we start our search. We are more likely to lose ourselves in Adam, Job, Lot and Noah rather than find truth.

This is the essence of the idea that the Abrahamic GOD was more likely than not, created in the image of men. Even so, in the imagery we see a large spectrum related to the human being portrayed in that idea of GOD, and individuals tend to gravitate toward the 'color' which attracts them the most in relation to how they see themselves. This is sometimes referred to as 'schism'.

If they are predominantly kindhearted, they gravitate towards those parts which reflect kindness/understanding etc. If they are brutal/bigoted, they gravitate towards those parts.

Making up ideas of GODs is part of the process humans have to go through in order to know themselves and one another and more often than not, the mark is missed.

Yes, to be set off on the 'wrong path' makes it difficult for one to find ones self, so to speak. Often because we are informed by others 'who we are' right from the go-get and - as a gross example of abuse - if one were to be told as a child that one is a 'demon bound for hell and damnation' because one 'committed the unforgivable sin' even before one arrived on this planet, THAT would be a huge hurdle to overcome in order to truly know thyself.
One the other hand, if one is informed one is simply an ape and GOD does not exist and the end of your life is the end of you...a different type of hurdle to overcome, but equally as difficult.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 33 by bluethread]

What does created in the image of God mean, doesn't it mean what it straight forward says? We are not created as little God's but humanity and the rest of the creation are like God.
Brings to mind what the Patristic Fathers wrote about God and Man. We are not the same substance but we are of like substance. So yes we can know God from his likeness just as we can know Shakespeare from his plays.
If indeed God is our creator we necessarily must resemble the Godhead.

Being created in the image of Adonai in my opinion refers to self awareness, the ability to view creation as separate from ourselves and to act on those things. We are created exactly like Adonai. Otherwise there would not have been the statement, "The man has now become like one of us . . .", after the fall. There also would not have been the statement, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." at the construction of the tower of Babel.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 33 by bluethread]

What does created in the image of God mean, doesn't it mean what it straight forward says? We are not created as little God's but humanity and the rest of the creation are like God.
Brings to mind what the Patristic Fathers wrote about God and Man. We are not the same substance but we are of like substance. So yes we can know God from his likeness just as we can know Shakespeare from his plays.
If indeed God is our creator we necessarily must resemble the Godhead.

Being created in the image of Adonai in my opinion refers to self awareness, the ability to view creation as separate from ourselves and to act on those things. We are created exactly like Adonai. Otherwise there would not have been the statement, "The man has now become like one of us . . .", after the fall. There also would not have been the statement, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." at the construction of the tower of Babel.

So why do you think God scrambled the one language at Babel?

[dio9]

[Replying to post 40 by marco]

well yes we can easily lose ourselves . In so many ways even in literature and scripture . I suppose people can even get lost in religion.
I'll coin the problem as tunnel cloud thinking, like a tornado where we can't see reason until the passion dissipates.

[bluethread]

So why do you think God scrambled the one language at Babel?

For the same reason He cursed the ground. He did it for our sakes to limit the amount of damage we could do to each other. The problem of the tower was not that it was just a tall structure, but that they said, "let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth". In the Scriptures, the concentration of power is repeatedly warned against and the governmental structure of HaTorah is bottom up, not top down.

[101G]

I have a new suggestion of the Trinity. God is our Father everyone can agree, Jesus is our savior and Son , but the holy spirit is nebulous , not clear as Father and Son. The HS is probably instead of holy spirit , holy Mother. Her characteristics as nurturer and comforter are what mothers do, Father Mother and Son make so much more sense than "holy spirit".
All creation reflects God and all creation is created nurtured and increased within the relationships of Father Mother and child. So the holy spirit is actually Holy Mother.

Addressing the OP only, not looking at other post. NO, I say AGAIN... NO.

your first question, "God is our Father everyone can agree". it depends on how you're using the title "Father" and "Son". if biologically then the Holy Spirit is the Father, supportive scripture, Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost".

of the Holy Ghost? let's see, keep on reading. Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost".

STOP, and just think for a second. if biologically, the son is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost, so then, the actual one who Conceive the child is the "FATHER", if we are speaking biologically, which makes the Holy Ghost the true Father, and not this first person whom you calls "Father". think about that.


now if you are rendering these titles, Father and son, metaphorically, ok then this is correct. else, one has a BIG problem on their hands.

Second Question, "Father Mother and Son make so much more sense than "holy spirit".
not saying that you're right or wrong, but it don't make Faith. all these things are metaphoric in nature. example. a car is given a woman name because it "carries" like a woman carries a baby when pregnant. just because it is label feminine nature, dose not always apply.

example, the Hebrew word for hand is is feminine NOUN, Genesis 14:22 "And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth".

the Hebrew word for hand here is H3027 יָד yad (yawd) n-f.
1. a hand (the open one (indicating power, means, direction, etc.), in distinction from H3709, the closed one).
2. used (as noun, adverb, etc.) in a great variety of applications, both literally and figuratively, both proximate and remote (as follows).

see, it's a feminine noun, but Abram is a male. or this, Exodus 4:20 "And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand". hand here is the same word, but on Moses who is a Male. see it now. it used figuratively.

Peace in Christ Yeshua.

[dio9]

The creation story from Genesis says we are created in the image of God, not we created God in our image. we can only infer what God is like by knowing ourselves, limitations and acknowledging a greaterness than our own consciousness. Like a rain drop into the ocean .

[dio9]

[Replying to post 46 by 101G]

Jesus is understood to be the Son of God. Mary is known to be the Mother of Jesus. (second person in the trinity) representing God's motherlyness in the flesh. Church Fathers declared her Mother of God. How much higher can she be praised? I'm not saying she is higher than God. I am saying she as the Mother is equally necessary part of the God head we Christians know as the Holy Trinity. The holy spirit is not greater or less than God She is the feminine Character of God , of the same uncreated substance.

[101G]

[Replying to post 46 by 101G]

Jesus is understood to be the Son of God. Mary is known to be the Mother of Jesus. (second person in the trinity) representing God's motherlyness in the flesh. Church Fathers declared her Mother of God. How much higher can she be praised? I'm not saying she is higher than God. I am saying she as the Mother is equally necessary part of the God head we Christians know as the Holy Trinity. The holy spirit is not greater or less than God She is the feminine Character of God , of the same uncreated substance.

GINOLJC, to all.

Mary is not the biological mother of JESUS. Mary is only the surrogate mother to that flesh that she bore. and two she is not the Mother of God, that's man made.

Mary is no different than any other woman. she just carried that flesh for nine months. end of story.

Now as for the identity of the spirit that was in that flesh, which was not birthed. correct it is the same Spirit, or substance as you say, which is a "SHARED" spirit. not a second person in a Godhead, but the same person shared. in the Greek this is known as the G243 allos of oneself.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 49 by 101G]

Point is the Mother is part of the Godhead with the Father.