For Non-trinitarians: Who is Jesus

[jgh7]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is. It's pretty simple on the trinitarian side, only one option: Jesus is God. But for non-trinitarians who don't believe Jesus is God, there are numerous options. In another thread someone interpreted him as an archangel which I had never heard before. And then I just got to wondering how many other non-trinitarian interpretations there are.

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus? Was he only a man? Was he an angel? Was he somewhere in between man and angel? Maybe somewhere in between angel and God? Is he all-knowing and all-powerful? Did he exist from the very beginning? What does it mean for him to be God's son, is that any more special than the angels and us being sons of God? Basically give me your best description, not so much of who Jesus is, but more along the lines of what Jesus is if that makes sense to you.

[EBA]

I am following but expound on the last one. Thanks.

I started a thread in the Bible Study Forum entitled "Christ Is" which is a great start to understanding that Christ is God. Of course that study hasn't even come close to the overwhelming scriptural evidence that reveals this truth.

Here's another verse which let's know that Christ is God:

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. (Rev 3:1)

Also, the seven Spirits of God? Take that plus the 3 of a trinity and we're up to 10 spirits. The trinity is a man made, unscriptural concept.

May I ask a couple of questions?

What is the Fathers name?

and-

Though I suspect not, do you believe Christ is God?

Peace

[2timothy316]

I do, however, believe Jesus Christ is God which is not heresy, but scriptural fact.[/color]

I have some questions, as out of all the countless people I've talked to, the above statement is new. Trinitarians claim scriptural fact too, so you can see why I'm not convinced of your claim as Jesus being Almighty God as fact.

Matthew 3:17 says, "Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.�

Q1: Who is this speaking from Heaven about Jesus?
Q2: Why is this voice from Heaven calling Jesus his son?

Philippians 2:6 says of Jesus, "gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."

Q3: What was Jesus not considering seizing?
Q4: If Jesus is God what doesn't he consider himself equal to God?

[tam]

[Replying to post 1 by jgh7]

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus?

I believe what Jaheshua (not "Jesus") says about Himself.

He says that He is the Son of God. He does not say that He is God (JAH), Himself.

He is the Messiah (the Chosen One of JAH). The Word of God. He is the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. He is in fact the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden. He is also Wisdom (from Proverbs 8), and He is the Holy One of God. He is the firstBORN of all creation.


He is second only to His Father (who is the MOST Holy One).


Much confusion can be sown when people add to (or take away from) what Christ says; hence I just listen to what Christ teaches, being very cautious of adding to or taking away from His words.


Peace to you and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[brianbbs67]

I am following but expound on the last one. Thanks.

I started a thread in the Bible Study Forum entitled "Christ Is" which is a great start to understanding that Christ is God. Of course that study hasn't even come close to the overwhelming scriptural evidence that reveals this truth.

Here's another verse which let's know that Christ is God:

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. (Rev 3:1)

Also, the seven Spirits of God? Take that plus the 3 of a trinity and we're up to 10 spirits. The trinity is a man made, unscriptural concept.

May I ask a couple of questions?

What is the Fathers name?

and-

Though I suspect not, do you believe Christ is God?

Peace

I agree the trinity is a man made and unscriptural. I also believe Christ could be YHWH but he seems to deny that. I also believe its not that consequential of a doctrine(man's law) as long as God is revered as the Lord only. No prayers to Jesus, at all.

I was always taught Christ was God. However, the scripture says none of that. Neither does Christ. Could he be?? Most likely not, but the Lord is mysterious.

[jgh7]

[Replying to post 33 by tam]

Hello tam. I just want to be clear that you believe Christ was created and therefore is not eternal, correct?

[tam]

[Replying to post 33 by tam]

Hello tam. I just want to be clear that you believe Christ was created and therefore is not eternal, correct?

Born, not created, but yes, He had a beginning.



Peace to you.

[jgh7]

[Replying to post 36 by tam]

Can you please explain that? I don't understand how Christ can be born but not created. Was he born from nothing? If he was born from something or someone, then what is the difference from just saying he was created by that something/someone?

[tam]

[Replying to post 37 by jgh7]

He was born from God.


I said born instead of created because Christ is called the firstborn, not the first created. I try to be as accurate as possible. That is all.

Also, a son is someone who is born (from someone). But not all created beings are sons (or daughters).



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[EBA]

I do, however, believe Jesus Christ is God which is not heresy, but scriptural fact.

I have some questions, as out of all the countless people I've talked to, the above statement is new. Trinitarians claim scriptural fact too, so you can see why I'm not convinced of your claim as Jesus being Almighty God as fact.

The trinity cannot be a scriptural fact since the word “trinity� is found nowhere in scripture.

Also you said

“you can see why I'm not convinced of your claim as Jesus being Almighty God as fact.�

Well, I would hope not since I DID’NT MAKE THAT CLAIM!

Matthew 3:17 says, "Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.�

Q1: Who is this speaking from Heaven about Jesus?

God the Father.

Q2: Why is this voice from Heaven calling Jesus his son?

Because Jesus is God the Father’s son.

Let me ask you now: Who heard this voice?

Philippians 2:6 says of Jesus, "gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."

That verse is translated in so many ways that it could actually be used by Trinitarians to help prove their stance depending on the version used. I believe the translation you chose is quite poor. If you look at the Greek interlinear you’ll find that the King James translates this verse well:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (KJV)

Since I subscribe to that translation, I don’t see where Q3 and Q4 are relevant.

Peace.

[EBA]

I agree the trinity is a man made and unscriptural.

I also believe Christ could be YHWH but he seems to deny that.

Hi Brianbbs67, I believe Christ is Yahweh and that he does not deny it at all.

I also believe its not that consequential of a doctrine(man's law) as long as God is revered as the Lord only. No prayers to Jesus, at all.

I believe that Christ is worthy of worship and that the Father expects us to worship him.

I was always taught Christ was God. However, the scripture says none of that. Neither does Christ.

I would disagree; the scripture does tell us tha Christ is God (not "the Father") and Christ does too.

Peace.