Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...

William · Post by **William** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:58 pm

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

As a human being, how is such theology acceptable and a good and reasonable thing to be stating or even implying of others, on a debate forum or even in day to day life?

Are people right to be able to take a stand against such theology and call it out for being dated, dark, based upon information from dark ages, based in ignorance and evil of intent?

What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?

Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

marco · Post by **marco** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:05 am

Pipiripi wrote: Jesus is coming soon, and I don't care about worldly rules against God rules. Aslong I SPEAK the TRUTH BIBLICAL, people can do whatever they want. Nobody rules IS higher then my Creator God. If anybody don't keep the 10 Commandments they are not from God. So if someone say something against God commandments I defend my believing.

Well it is nice to hear Jesus is coming soon. You don't say how you arrive at "soon" or what "soon" means. Are we dealing with geological time or just a few days?

God and his commands may indeed be above the restrictions of mere humans, but when you offer a quote or advice you offer your own, private interpretation of what God wants. Who knows, you may be right, but then so may those who suggest Muhammad is the final Prophet of God. Can we judge by sincerity and enthusiasm?

If we need to trade quotations from the Bible, we must also remember that this book tells us not to judge in case we are ourselves judged. Here is Luke, courtesy of the King James translators:

"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank you, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector."

I wonder what it means.

William · Post by **William** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:02 pm

It appears that most people who joined this debate topic find it personally insulting and in that, entirely unnecessary to be informed by others that they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for eternal hell as punishment.

I think it should be recognized as a breach of the rule of this site, that mention of such things be prohibited, in line with the rule;

1. Personal attacks of any sort are not allowed.

I think it needs to be said that a person cannot use their religious beliefs as a means of personally attacking others with those beliefs and that this practice should be eliminated from being allowable expression, contrary to the first rule.

Pipiripi · Post by **Pipiripi** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:28 pm

rikuoamero wrote:
Pipiripi wrote: Jesus is coming soon, and I don't care about worldly rules against God rules. Aslong I SPEAK the TRUTH BIBLICAL, people can do whatever they want. Nobody rules IS higher then my Creator God. If anybody don't keep the 10 Commandments they are not from God. So if someone say something agains God commandments I defend my believing.
People have been saying "Jesus is coming soon" for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. When does this become a case of the boy who cried wolf, for you, Pip?

Okay my friend here is your answer. Read Matthew 24:1-51. And nobody knows the day and the times. But Jesus says SOON. Why soon? Because there is no count on the years for eternity. That's why when you read Revelation 12:12. There you will see that once the devil has eternally life, but not more. The devil years counting from creation of this world is about 6000 years old. But he is older. Why? Because he was created before God create our universe. I hope you have understand the truth.

rikuoamero · Post by **rikuoamero** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:58 am

Pipiripi wrote:
rikuoamero wrote:
Pipiripi wrote: Jesus is coming soon, and I don't care about worldly rules against God rules. Aslong I SPEAK the TRUTH BIBLICAL, people can do whatever they want. Nobody rules IS higher then my Creator God. If anybody don't keep the 10 Commandments they are not from God. So if someone say something agains God commandments I defend my believing.
People have been saying "Jesus is coming soon" for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. When does this become a case of the boy who cried wolf, for you, Pip?
Okay my friend here is your answer. Read Matthew 24:1-51. And nobody knows the day and the times. But Jesus says SOON. Why soon? Because there is no count on the years for eternity. That's why when you read Revelation 12:12. There you will see that once the devil has eternally life, but not more. The devil years counting from creation of this world is about 6000 years old. But he is older. Why? Because he was created before God create our universe. I hope you have understand the truth.

So in other words...it won't ever. You're prepared to wait two thousand, no three thousand...no make that eleventy trillion billion million gazillion years, and at no point will you ever entertain even the possibility that the claim "Jesus is coming soon" might just be false.

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:27 am

William wrote: It appears that most people who joined this debate topic find it personally insulting and in that, entirely unnecessary to be informed by others that they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for eternal hell as punishment.

I think it should be recognized as a breach of the rule of this site, that mention of such things be prohibited, in line with the rule;

1. Personal attacks of any sort are not allowed.

I think it needs to be said that a person cannot use their religious beliefs as a means of personally attacking others with those beliefs and that this practice should be eliminated from being allowable expression, contrary to the first rule.

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Pipiripi · Post by **Pipiripi** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:57 am

This is all about, if you informed someone something about an other person, then you have attacked the other person. If you say something against someone believes, that is attacking this person. If somebody call Ellen G White a false prophet, that person has attacked me, because she's my prophets. If someone say something agains what Jesus says, about whatever specially, 'coming soon', it is attacking me personally. Because Jesus lived in me. Debating is attacking someone believes to proofs who is correct. Debating over something means that you know something.

Jesus says the devil is your father. Did Jesus attacking those persons? I just used what the Bible say.

There's no place in heaven fore liars. Am I attacking liars? Or is the WORD of God says that. Don't judge the one that read the book, judge the one who has say so. Not me.

rikuoamero · Post by **rikuoamero** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:40 pm

[Replying to post 36 by Pipiripi]

if you informed someone something about an other person, then you have attacked the other person.

Nope. My mother has black hair. There, I have informed you about something pertaining to my mother, and it was not an attack on her.

If you say something against someone believes, that is attacking this person.

Only if that person equates those beliefs with their very self, their identity.
I am an atheist, and yet, if you say something against what it is I believe, I do not consider it an attack on me.

If somebody call Ellen G White a false prophet, that person has attacked me, because she's my prophets.

I'm seeing a pattern here, Pip. Basically, YOU, and I capitalised that for a reason, are the person making debate here almost impossible. People who don't share your beliefs (and to date, no-one has even mentioned this White person other than you) you view as attacking you. Basically, any form of criticism about your beliefs is equated to an attack on your person.
What about Muhammed of Islam, Pip? I presume you view him as a false prophet. If or when you say that, aren't you "attacking" those Muslims?
How about you drop this "attacking" nonsense and allow critiques to be brought forth?

If someone say something agains what Jesus says, about whatever specially, 'coming soon', it is attacking me personally.

So no-one can ever offer a critique to you. Not even one as mild as mine, where I pointed out that "Jesus is coming soon" has been said for 2,000 years and yet...no Jesus.
Pip, don't you realise this is a debating website? Debates involve back and forths, critiques of what one believes. You can't treat everything as a personal attack.

Because Jesus lived in me.

Yeah sure. Pull the other one.
Ooops...was that an attack? My bad.

Debating is attacking someone believes to proofs who is correct.

You're attacking us atheists then, whenever you said Jesus is God, or the Lord or whatever exactly it is you said. By your logic, you saying that God exists, is real, in this debate forum would HAVE to be an attack on me.
Notice that neither or any of the other non-God believers ever complain of being attacked.

Debating over something means that you know something.

So knowing something is a bad thing? Not sure exactly what you mean here.

Jesus says the devil is your father.

And here I thought Christianity says that all humans are God's children, and that he loves us so much that he sent his only begotten son to die for us...

Did Jesus attacking those persons?

According to your logic, yes. Those people (whoever they are) probably don't believe they are children of the devil, so Jesus saying something that goes against their beliefs would have to be an attack.

I just used what the Bible say.

So you're not going to take any responsibility for saying things that "attack" other people? Doesn't matter who the original author is, you've adopted the views and words as your own, and are saying them here. Quick rhetorical question - if I go to Jerusalem, stand in a public square and quote directly from Mein Kampf, can I use your defense and say "I'm not being anti-Semitic! I just used what Mein Kampf said!"?

There's no place in heaven fore liars.

Then you'll want to kick God out. 2nd Thessalonians has him sending spirits out to deceive people, and that's just the first example of God from the Bible lying to people.

Am I attacking liars?

According to your logic, again...yes.
Or you can drop this attacking business and we can just have a nice debate.

Or is the WORD of God says that. Don't judge the one that read the book, judge the one who has say so. Not me.

So we shouldn't judge people who do this then?

Those people aren't being hateful, they're just repeating what it says in the Bible!

Pipiripi · Post by **Pipiripi** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:41 pm

[Replying to post 37 by rikuoamero]

Rikouamero, you are the only person that has react on my points.
This is why I write this. For the moderators they have a rules that make debating impossible for people to have a liberally debating about their believes.
Look at this: If all Christians declare everybody is God childrens (sons), they are a liar. The truth is, everybody is creation of God, and the one that belongs to God, God has given them power to became a son of God. Just read the book of Hebrews.
Why no-one yet didn't say Jesus never say Satan is yours father!!
One times ago I have write to the people that believes in evolution, that they first mother and father is a monkey. The moderator give me warning because it is a attacking on that person. But that person self say that I'm right. I know the line of the evolution theory. They maked it impossible for You and me to have a wealthy and friendly debating,why we believe this way. I hope that we can go somewhere on this forum to continue about our belief without any interruptions. Let me know.

rikuoamero · Post by **rikuoamero** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:15 pm

[Replying to post 38 by Pipiripi]

This is why I write this. For the moderators they have a rules that make debating impossible for people to have a liberally debating about their believes.

Pip...I have been on this site for three years. There are others who have been here for far longer.
Debate has been happening for years and all this without anyone complaining that they are being attacked.

For example, there is a user whose beliefs I have critiqued and questioned, and guess what? She doesn't call it an attack. In fact, this is what she signs off all her posts with.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Look at this: If all Christians declare everybody is God childrens (sons), they are a liar.

Why should I believe this claim, over the claim of those Christians who have indeed said we are all God's children?

The truth is, everybody is creation of God, and the one that belongs to God, God has given them power to became a son of God.

You've just contradicted yourself. Two sentences, side by side.

Just read the book of Hebrews.

What Book of Hebrews? Oh...you must mean the Letter to the Hebrews. Funny...could've sworn you said you had Jesus live in you, and yet here you are getting a basic fact wrong about your own holy book.

Why no-one yet didn't say Jesus never say Satan is yours father!!

I think you don't speak English well, because I honestly don't know what it is you are saying here. The structure of your sentence makes no grammatical sense.

One times ago I have write to the people that believes in evolution, that they first mother and father is a monkey.

Yup, I'm thinking problems with language.
Anyway...wrong. If by "first mother and father" you mean the original ancestor, then no. The first ancestor would have been a cyanobacteria. The fact that you mention a monkey here as a "first mother and father" shows that you have literally no understanding of evolution, since the theory of evolution predicts simple micro-organisms were the first life-forms, and that sexual reproduction (that is, involving two sexes, male and female) occurred long after the first life forms (which were mono-sexed, and reproduced asexually).
I suggest you read up on what the theory of evolution actually says before you attempt to rebut it with absurd statements like "first mother and father is a monkey".

The moderator give me warning because it is a attacking on that person. But that person self say that I'm right.

That person is incorrect, and I am not going to comment on the ruling of the moderator.

I know the line of the evolution theory.

Then why do you say the "first mother and father is a monkey", when in all actually, it goes back much much further than monkeys?

They maked it impossible for You and me to have a wealthy and friendly debating,

No, all I am seeing is you. I am seeing you complaining that those who critique your beliefs are literally attacking you as a person. I honestly don't care about this person who you said this monkey thing to. All I care about is you complaining that people here cannot critique your beliefs, lest you accuse them of attacking you.

I hope that we can go somewhere on this forum to continue about our belief without any interruptions. Let me know.

Again, it is YOU who are doing the interruptions by complaining about being attacked. Drop this attacking nonsense, and we can all have a nice debate, no muss, no fuss.

Pipiripi · Post by **Pipiripi** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:42 pm

I know my BIBLE and I know your evolution theory. That is the difference between me and you. Yours evolutionary theory have no beginning and no end. That's why I begin in the middle of your evolution story. My Bible has a Beginning and an End. That is the difference again between us. My book is like every other books. They have beginning and an end. Your books of live don't have a beginning. Item your own live has a beginning. My book the Bible is a book of live. You find names from people who have lives in this world and also names of out this world.

You are right, I'm not an English men. But I can defend myself with 4 languages. English, Dutch, Spanish, and my own language Papiamentu. This is what my God has given me. What about you?