What is God’s Judgement?

[DPMartin]

If one disagrees with the Light, then is he still in the Light? And if one disagrees with the Light by who’s judgement is that disagreement? Therefore, wouldn’t that place one in darkness?

[DPMartin]

It seems to me that we are capable of good judgement …………....

I your judgement "It seems to me" we are capable of good judgement.


that is exactly what A&E were convinced of, isn't it?



think about it

why did the serpent say in Gen 3:5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


yet Adam was: Luk 3:38 "Adam, which was the son of God."


then God said afterwards in Gen 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"


God is the Judge of what is good Gen 1:31 and good for His creation and the creatures therein no exception. therefore in God's place in the earth that God gave man, man has taken God's job, being their own judges of what is good and evil.

so no; man isn't capable, God's capable. A&E thought to be their own judges of what is good and evil, even if it was only for themselves, of which all their children have received the result from.

[2timothy316]

It seems to me that we are capable of good judgement …………....

I your judgement "It seems to me" we are capable of good judgement.


that is exactly what A&E were convinced of, isn't it?

That's why I added, 'if we use God's principles' in our judgement.

A&E had very clear instruction. They didn't keep what God wants in their decision We today don't have an instruction for every single situation. If we had a tree in our yards that God said, 'do not eat from it' that is easy.

Yet how about when it comes to a new law set by the government we live in? Romans 13:1 says, "Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power." What if there is a law that you don't think God would approve of, such as a law to stop meeting together in our churches? What do we do? in Acts 5:29 Peter said, "We must obey God rather than man". But that would mean disobeying the command at Romans 13:1. Do we not have to make a judgement call ourselves as to which commandment to keep?

[DPMartin]

It seems to me that we are capable of good judgement …………....

I your judgement "It seems to me" we are capable of good judgement.


that is exactly what A&E were convinced of, isn't it?

That's why I added, 'if we use God's principles' in our judgement.

A&E had very clear instruction. They didn't keep what God wants in their decision We today don't have an instruction for every single situation. If we had a tree in our yards that God said, 'do not eat from it' that is easy.

Yet how about when it comes to a new law set by the government we live in? Romans 13:1 says, "Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power." What if there is a law that you don't think God would approve of, such as a law to stop meeting together in our churches? What do we do? in Acts 5:29 Peter said, "We must obey God rather than man". But that would mean disobeying the command at Romans 13:1. Do we not have to make a judgement call ourselves as to which commandment to keep?

that's another point; use God's principles for what? to improve your life in the flesh? to embellish your own judgement of what is good and evil?

think twice there friend, A&E were in God's Presence in the cool of the day heard God speak as plainly as any one speaking to each other in each other's presence. the serpent didn't argue whether there was a God or not, or even that the Creator and Judge was God or not. but he did convince them into valuing their own judgement, by miss using what God said, and or interpreting what God said. scripture, though most do use it for that, is not for the justification of one's own judgement.


so, what God said, didn't keep them from their own judgements did it? all they needed was a different opinion on the matter to justify their own judgement.


it takes God's nature to do what God would do. human nature can not do what God would do.

[2timothy316]

It seems to me that we are capable of good judgement …………....

I your judgement "It seems to me" we are capable of good judgement.


that is exactly what A&E were convinced of, isn't it?

That's why I added, 'if we use God's principles' in our judgement.

A&E had very clear instruction. They didn't keep what God wants in their decision We today don't have an instruction for every single situation. If we had a tree in our yards that God said, 'do not eat from it' that is easy.

Yet how about when it comes to a new law set by the government we live in? Romans 13:1 says, "Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power." What if there is a law that you don't think God would approve of, such as a law to stop meeting together in our churches? What do we do? in Acts 5:29 Peter said, "We must obey God rather than man". But that would mean disobeying the command at Romans 13:1. Do we not have to make a judgement call ourselves as to which commandment to keep?

that's another point; use God's principles for what? to improve your life in the flesh?

To improve everyone's life. Living by God's principles, there is no better way. 'Love God with your whole heart, soul and mind' and 'Do to others are you would have them do to you'. There is no better way to live.

to embellish your own judgement of what is good and evil?{/quote]
Nope. It is known that only Jehovah God has that right. With His principles we can learn what is good or bad even when there is no law in the Bible about it. Like smoking. There is no law against it but because it kills people it certainly can't be labeled 'good' to God.

think twice there friend, A&E where in God's Presence in the cool of the day heard God speak as plainly as any one speaking to each other in each other's presence. the serpent didn't argue whether there was a God or not, or even that the Creator and Judge was God or not. but he did convince them into valuing their own judgement, by miss using what God said, and or interpreting what God said. scripture, though most do use it for that, is not for the justification of one's own judgement.

Again you're using an example where the law is clear. But what about when the law is not so clear? Like Romans 13:1? Are we really to follow every man-made law that our local government says to do?

so, what God said, didn't keep them from their own judgements did it? all they needed was a different opinion on the matter to justify their own judgement.

I agree. Yet if you read my posts carefully I'm not suggesting to find ways around God's commandments. But that there is not a commandment for every good or bad thing.

it takes God's nature to do what God would do. human nature can not do what God would do.

Not sure what this means.

[benchwarmer]

If one disagrees with the Light, then is he still in the Light? And if one disagrees with the Light by who’s judgement is that disagreement? Therefore, wouldn’t that place one in darkness?

Who or what do you define as "Light"? "Truth"? I'm guessing, (and correct me if I'm mistaken), that you mean Jesus and/or the Bible?.

And do you equate "Light" with your interpretation of Jesus or the Bible?

Other religions and philosophies also promote "enlightenment". If someone rejects their ways, do those people walk in darkness?

Is darkness mere ignorance, or is it actual evil?

read the bible , it's not a hidden secret.

I take it by your lack of a clear response, you don't know or don't think it's worth sharing?

If you had read the Bible you would know that 'Light' is used in different ways and thus the question is a valid one.

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Genesis 1:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 And God said, “Let there be light,� and there was light.

So from the above, we can clearly see that God had to 'let' there be light which means at some point there was none.

And then:

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Genesis 1:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 God called the light “day,� and the darkness he called “night.� And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

So, God Himself has defined 'light' as 'day'. You're right, it's no hidden secret.

However:

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John 8:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.�

So Jesus is 'day'? This means you cannot be with Jesus at 'night', yet:

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Matthew 18:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.�

What happens when two or three gather at night in Jesus name? Is it like when matter and anti-matter meet?

All that to say, when someone asks you for a clear definition, waffling and telling people to read the Bible is hardly useful.