Every pantheon has its "high God" it's Creator God

[Elijah John]

Every pantheon has it's "high Creator God" and it's offspring. Including son and daughter gods.

Jehovah's Witnesses rightly (from my pov) claim there is only one God, the Father, Jehovah.

Unlike Trinitarians, JWs readily admit that Jesus, the Son, is inferior to the Father Jehovah. Arians taught something very similar.

But can't Arian cosmology be considered a form of polytheism as well? After all, even pagan pantheons pretty much all have only one (sometimes two. male and female) Creator gods.

Arians like JW's ascribe to Jesus a superhuman status, embracing the Pauline concept that Jesus is the "firstborn of all Creation, though whom all things are created".

For debate, how does even such "monotheistic" Christian cosmology differ from the pagan pantheons?

Can't the JW cosmic view be considered a form of "bi-theism" with one Creator God, and one main created, lesser God, ie Michael, the pre-incarnate Jesus?

[shnarkle]

[Replying to post 78 by shnarkle]

So would it be fair to say you believe that when John refers to "in the beginning" that he is referring to The beginning of time which distinguishes itself from eternity and that the beginning of creation brings about the beginning of time?

No, it would be fair to say that "in the beginning was the word" means the word exists in the beginning. The biblical texts have already been provided to support the idea that the word is the beginning and the end. There is nothing to believe here. It's simply what the texts state. You can believe it or don't.

The texts state that the word is Jesus Christ who is the beginning and the end. I supplied a few of the relevant verses to support this biblical claim.

Whatever "beginning" means, it certainly doesn't then follow that creation takes place before it especially when John presents the reader with creation taking place afterwards in verse 3. This isn't the slightest bit complicated unless one prefers to therorize that some acts of creation took place before creation, or began before the beginning, during some time before time, etc.

There's really no need for illustrations of abstract ideas when the simple meaning of John's words are all that are necessary. Redefinning these same words will only lead to confusion. The usage of these words is key to understanding.

What is more than fair to say is that what you need for your theory to be accurate and true, is "In the beginning God created the word" or "God created the word in the beginning" The texts don't say that though, do they? No, they say that the word is the beginning and the end.

The word is not created. Paul points out that Christ is the means by which everything that is exists. The means can't be the product. This is elementary. There is no way around that simple fact. I don't say this to hinder or dissuade you from asking more questions. However, it would be nice to see something a bit more pertinent than these transparent attempts to twist what the texts plainly state.

[ttruscott]

Neo-Arian, that made me chuckle.

As to the OP, I think most Christian type religions acknowledge, that there is only one God, creator of heaven and earth. Some, however, believe he has multiple personality disorder or similar.

How can you possibly get this demeaning definition of our belief from:

GOD is three Persons who share the attributes of Divinity, (GODly DNA works as a metaphor), by which they experience their GODliness is not as three GODs but as ONE GOD due to the UNITY their GODliness, their Divine attributes, creates. Three People UNITED, `echad, as ONE GOD.

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[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 81 by ttruscott]

I will tell you how. It is all God. No need to separate Him from his spirit. His son serves Him therefore can not be Him(here). But, all come from the same source.