What does it mean, when some people say that "all Scripture is God breathed?
Does it mean that the Bible was dictated by God?
Inspired by God?
Does it mean that the Bible is perfect and infallible in every detail?
If you hold the position that the Bible is "God breathed" please define the term, and support your position.
What does it mean,
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Elijah John
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What does it mean,
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
God breathed fiction?
Post #41[Replying to post 29 by Elijah John]
There is no evidence that Hebrews were ever in Egypt or the Exodus was a real event.
Isn't this an example of God breathed fiction? Do you have any credible evidence to the contrary? I'm sure the folks at Tel Aviv university would like to know.
RESPONSE: It is now recognized by anthropologists that the first seven books of the Bible were written as a"founding epic" between 800 and 700 BC.If you want to ignore passages that you don't agree with, that is your prerogative. Yet simply because you don't agree, it is not proof that Exodus is not 'God breathed'. Because you don't agree with the Bible doesn't mean that Moses went out and made his own law without approval from God.
There is no evidence that Hebrews were ever in Egypt or the Exodus was a real event.
Isn't this an example of God breathed fiction? Do you have any credible evidence to the contrary? I'm sure the folks at Tel Aviv university would like to know.
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Re: What does it mean,
Post #42Peace to you,
Those parts that are inspired (scripture)?
I do not see how God would give something imperfect... so assuming that it was written down "just so" (just as it was given), then it makes sense to me that it would be perfect and infallible.
Remember that Moses made provisions in the law for a people whose hearts were hard. So some laws had to be given, but it might not have been that way from the beginning.
But I agree with what Overcomer wrote (quoting CL Lewis) that it is wrong for a modern society to impose their cultural norms on a society from thousands of years ago, when those societies live in completely different circumstances. Especially when the slavery that the modern society inflicted upon others was not the same as the slavery that was permitted thousands of years ago (which saved lives - considering that the alternative might be death, squalor or misery).
But that does not mean that the people could not CHOOSE to free their slaves (if those slaves wanted to be freed... some would have wanted to remain with a master they loved). One could certainly do that; thereby fulfilling the law with love. And of course there are also these words:
"Is this not the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke?"
Christ also came to set us free, and we are to follow in His steps. At the same time, He came to serve (not be served) and we are to follow His example.
I can't answer that. But David had to have known that he was speaking about a Lord in addition to God, because he said,
"The LORD (JAHVEH) said to MY Lord..."
What trinity?
Elijah John wrote:So, are you saying that the Bible in it's original languages is perfect and infallible?tam wrote: Peace to you EJ,
No.Does it mean that the Bible is perfect and infallible in every detail?
What is written down is still subject to the erring pen of the scribes (Jeremiah 8:8; Matthew 23:14), and copyist errors and also translation errors.
Those parts that are inspired (scripture)?
I do not see how God would give something imperfect... so assuming that it was written down "just so" (just as it was given), then it makes sense to me that it would be perfect and infallible.
And that the Bible in it's orginal form, is uncontaminated by human cultural bias?
Including the slave-beating passage, Exodus 21,20-21?
Remember that Moses made provisions in the law for a people whose hearts were hard. So some laws had to be given, but it might not have been that way from the beginning.
But I agree with what Overcomer wrote (quoting CL Lewis) that it is wrong for a modern society to impose their cultural norms on a society from thousands of years ago, when those societies live in completely different circumstances. Especially when the slavery that the modern society inflicted upon others was not the same as the slavery that was permitted thousands of years ago (which saved lives - considering that the alternative might be death, squalor or misery).
But that does not mean that the people could not CHOOSE to free their slaves (if those slaves wanted to be freed... some would have wanted to remain with a master they loved). One could certainly do that; thereby fulfilling the law with love. And of course there are also these words:
"Is this not the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke?"
Christ also came to set us free, and we are to follow in His steps. At the same time, He came to serve (not be served) and we are to follow His example.
Do you suppose that King David would agree, that it was the Spirit of the Messiah speaking through him, and not the Spirit of Yahweh?tam wrote: In the Psalms we also have Christ (the Spirit) speaking through David.
I can't answer that. But David had to have known that he was speaking about a Lord in addition to God, because he said,
"The LORD (JAHVEH) said to MY Lord..."
Also, if you equate "the Spirit" with "Christ" aren't you conflating the persons of the Trinity?
What trinity?
Thank you, and peace again to you!Blessings and peace to you too, Tammy.
Post #43
Tam posted:
RESPONSE: Or what they claim they received from the Spirit. But anyone can make that claim, can't they?
I cannot speak for what others mean when they say it, but scripture is those writings that are inspired (given in spirit or as some say, 'God-breathed'). Someone has written down what has been received in the spirit (from the Spirit).
RESPONSE: Or what they claim they received from the Spirit. But anyone can make that claim, can't they?
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Post #44
Peace to you,
Yes, they can. This is why we are supposed to test the inspired expressions.
But this does not change the meaning of the phrase, 'God-breathed'.
Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
polonius.advice wrote: Tam posted:
I cannot speak for what others mean when they say it, but scripture is those writings that are inspired (given in spirit or as some say, 'God-breathed'). Someone has written down what has been received in the spirit (from the Spirit).
RESPONSE: Or what they claim they received from the Spirit. But anyone can make that claim, can't they?
Yes, they can. This is why we are supposed to test the inspired expressions.
But this does not change the meaning of the phrase, 'God-breathed'.
Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
