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JW organization.

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Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to:

-vote
-celebrate birthdays
-celebrate Christmas or Easter
-donate or receive blood transfusions.

And if any JW openly persists in doing these things[edit to add publicly], they will be shunned or disfellowshipped, [edit to add or otherwise admonished or disciplined.]

For debate,

1) what do any of these check-list prohibitions have to do with Christianity?

2) And are any of these prohibitions compatible with the idea of Christian freedom?

3) Are these prohibitions arbitrary or legalistic?

4) And could Jehvoah's Witness as an organization flourish without these particular prohibitions and still honor God?

Please address any or all of the above.
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Re: JW organization.

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Okay well if I did it was a statement of faith. Please take all my statements on this forum to be statements of FAITH simply what I believe to be true.
I'll take each of your statements exactly as they are stated. If you intend to simply make statements of faith, you need to indicate that for each statement you make.

Additionally, as a fellow poster recently stated:

"If I want to hear a testimony I'll go to church not to a debate forum..."

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Tcg wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Okay well if I did it was a statement of faith. Please take all my statements on this forum to be statements of FAITH simply what I believe to be true.
I'll take each of your statements exactly as they are stated. If you intend to simply make statements of faith, you need to indicate that for each statement you make.

Additionally, as a fellow poster recently stated:

"If I want to hear a testimony I'll go to church not to a debate forum..."


I wlll write exactly as I see fit and if you don't like that you have but to not read them. How's that?


"If I want to hear a testimony I'll go to church not to a debate forum..."

Good for you, enjoy the service.


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Can we agree on St. Paul's teaching?

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St. Paul advised us to: "Test everything. Hold fast to that which is true. But "Put away childish things"?

Are we willing to do that?

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Re: JW organization.

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Tcg wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Okay well if I did it was a statement of faith. Please take all my statements on this forum to be statements of FAITH simply what I believe to be true.
I'll take each of your statements exactly as they are stated. If you intend to simply make statements of faith, you need to indicate that for each statement you make.

Additionally, as a fellow poster recently stated:

"If I want to hear a testimony I'll go to church not to a debate forum..."
I wlll write exactly as I see fit and if you don't like that you have but to not read them. How's that?
You are free to write exactly as you please and if that includes making a factual claim rather than a statement of faith, I'll take it as a factual claim on your part.

"If I want to hear a testimony I'll go to church not to a debate forum..."
You failed to note that I was quoting another poster and applying his statement to your post. The poster I quoted is the one who'll be going to church if he decides he wants to hear a testimony.

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Tcg wrote: You are free to write exactly as you please ...
Excellent, good. Well it's always wonderful to find common ground. I feel the same way.
Tcg wrote: The poster I quoted is the one who'll be going to church if he decides he wants to hear a testimony.
Well I'll wish that poster well too. Maybe he or she will drop in here to debate in DC&R when their service is done. As long as they conform to forum guidelines I do believe all are welcome.

Well, have a good day,

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Excellent, good. Well it's always wonderful to find common ground. I feel the same way.
Great. You write it as you please and I'll read it the way I see fit. Glad we could reach this agreement.

Maybe he or she will drop in here to debate in DC&R when their service is done.
Given that I stated the fact that they are a fellow poster, it is quite clear that they debate here.

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Tcg wrote:
Great. You write it as you please and I'll read it the way I see fit. Glad we could reach this agreement.
I'm glad too, what you said is a fabulously wonderful idea!
Tcg wrote:
Given that I stated the fact that they are a fellow poster, it is quite clear that they debate here.

I'm so glad, sounds like a top notch person to me (opinion). Well, this has indeed been a most productive exchange (personal opinion/belief),

have a good one!

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Re: JW organization.

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
I'm so glad, sounds like a top notch person to me.
As I am sure you will agree, all posters who participate are of equal value and deserve the full respect of all other posters no matter what their views are. So yes, this poster is equal to all other posters here. No better and no worse.

Well, this has indeed been a most productive exchange,
As are they all.

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Tcg wrote:

Well, this has indeed been a most productive exchange,
As are they all.
Indeed I learn something valuable from every exchange I have (personal opinion) I do believe that is a wonderful aspect of communication (belief statement)

Well have a wonderful day,


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Re: In the final analysis, what is Faith

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polonius.advice wrote:"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." Mark Twain.
Bad choice unless you chose a straw man on purpose...

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Faith is essentially HOPE. No one hopes for what he knows is true nor what he knows is not truth.

Twain, as much as I enjoy his acerbic with, is as deluded as every other skeptic.

Your conclusion is based upon a false definition so is false.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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