Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered

[Elijah John]

It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".

For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?

Does God ever anoint Himself?

[steveb1]

It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".

For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?

Does God ever anoint Himself?

God doesn't anoint himself - only creatures like kings and other royal/Messianic figures.

God doesn't sanctify himself, and Jesus says that he was sanctified by the Father, so clearly Jesus was not God - he was the passive recipient of God's sanctification.

God doesn't send God upon himself, and Jesus received the Spirit at his baptism by John - received the Spirit as a creature (a righteous Jew), not as "God".

In John, Jesus explicitly excludes himself from the Godhead, telling God that "you, Father, are the only true God".

Jesus was "divine", but he was not ontological God, not of the same substance as God.

[RightReason]

[Replying to post 8 by Checkpoint]

God does not have a "part of Him that is human".

All of Him is God, the only true God.

Uuummm . . . except when Jesus walked the earth, although He was God, He humbled Himself and took the form of man. He got sick, he bled, he had to relieve Himself just like any human being – for this reason it was logical for Him to be anointed and Baptized.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 8 by Checkpoint]

God does not have a "part of Him that is human".

All of Him is God, the only true God.

Uuummm . . . except when Jesus walked the earth, although He was God, He humbled Himself and took the form of man. He got sick, he bled, he had to relieve Himself just like any human being – for this reason it was logical for Him to be anointed and Baptized.

When Jesus walked the earth he was not "a part of" God, who is the Father.

Jesus himself told us that the Father is "the only true God", and after his resurrection that this Father is "my God and your God".

[RightReason]

[Replying to Checkpoint]

When Jesus walked the earth he was not "a part of" God, who is the Father.

It is my understanding that He was. Jesus was true God AND true man.

Jesus himself told us that the Father is "the only true God", and after his resurrection that this Father is "my God and your God".

You left out a few passages . . .

50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstro ... sus-is-god

[bjs]

It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".

For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?

Hence the orthodox Christian doctrine of the trinity. The Word is both with God, and the Word is God. Jesus is both God and the anointed of God.

[steveb1]

[Replying to Checkpoint]

When Jesus walked the earth he was not "a part of" God, who is the Father.

It is my understanding that He was. Jesus was true God AND true man.

Jesus himself told us that the Father is "the only true God", and after his resurrection that this Father is "my God and your God".

You left out a few passages . . .

50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstro ... sus-is-god

I've seen all those before and they are not "proofs". Nothing can trump the biblical fact that John's Jesus explicitly excluded himself from the Godhead in John 17:3.

If you want further comment from me please address actual claims I make - and please reply in your own words and not with an apologetics link.

[Elijah John]

It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".

For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?

Hence the orthodox Christian doctrine of the trinity. The Word is both with God, and the Word is God. Jesus is both God and the anointed of God.

I guess that is one of those paradoxes that defy Reason. Not sure if it contradicts reason, or if it transcends reason.

But I tend to favor the fomer, that the Trinity, like the doctrine of the hypostatic union, contradicts Reason.

[RightReason]

[Replying to post 16 by steveb1]

I've seen all those before and they are not "proofs".

Well guess we would have to address what all of Scripture has to say. The reason I just provided the link instead of diving into all the ways we can know Jesus is God is because that seems to be a topic unto itself for another thread.

[onewithhim]

It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".

For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?

Does God ever anoint Himself?

Of course not. That is the illogical thinking of people who really don't place much stock in what the Bible actually says, and they feel more comfortable going with the flow and not rocking any boats, and following the crowd so that their family and friends will accept them and they can all be as apathetic as they choose to be.

[onewithhim]

It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".

For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?

Hence the orthodox Christian doctrine of the trinity. The Word is both with God, and the Word is God. Jesus is both God and the anointed of God.

No, that's not so. John 1:1 is the ONLY place that says that Jesus is A GOD. Translators, according to their BIAS, have mistranslated that to say that Jesus is God Almighty. The readers of John, back in that day, would NOT have understood John to be saying that the Word was God. They understood that "god" did not always refer to the one true God (which has the definite article in the verse; "the Word was god" does not, and therefore gets the English article "a"), and Jesus himself pointed out the fact that the Scriptures call even human judges "gods." After taking all of this into consideration, we have to say that Jesus is not God. He is the anointed of God but not God.