Jesus divinity

[Wootah]

When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?

[polonius]

[Replying to post 1 by Wootah]

Tim is right, while Jesus was on earth, he was completely 100% human. No "demi-god" (that is not a biblical notion), human only.

JW

That pretty well eliminates a claim of a Trinity, doesn't it?

[ttruscott]

Yes, Nephillim were flesh but their fathers were divine.

I don't know what that page is from but it is spurious. Bene Elohim are not divine except when it refers to Christ.

https://www.gotquestions.org/sons-of-God.html suggests:
The three primary views on the identity of the sons of God are 1) they were fallen angels, 2) they were powerful human rulers, or 3) they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. Giving weight to the first theory is the fact that in the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God� always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7).

Angels are NOT divine but created beings.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Wootah]

Tim is right, while Jesus was on earth, he was completely 100% human. No "demi-god" (that is not a biblical notion), human only.

JW

That pretty well eliminates a claim of a Trinity, doesn't it?

Yes. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Trinitarian.


JW

[Overcomer]

Jesus was fully God AND fully man, not half of each. While he has always been God, he only became man at a set point in time. But he didn't set his divinity aside when he came to earth. He only set aside his rights and privileges as God to live as a man.

He had to be a sin-free man to atone for the sins of humankind and it was the fact that he was God that made him sin-free. If he hadn't been God, he couldn't have done that, and all of humanity would have been lost forever.

This is a very good article that explains in detail the two natures of Jesus Christ:

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/ho ... od-and-man

Here are verses that show each nature "in action":

AS GOD:

He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33)
He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)
He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)
He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)
He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)
He knows all things (John 21:17)
He gives eternal life (John 10:28)
All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)


AS MAN:
He worshiped the Father (John 17)
He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)
He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)
He prayed to the Father (John 17)
He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)
He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)
He died (Rom. 5:8)
He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)

From https://carm.org/jesus-two-natures

Theologically speaking, the union of God and man in the person of Jesus Christ is called the hypostatic union. See here:

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/wh ... atic-union

From that article, we read:

Our English adjective hypostatic comes from the Greek word hupostasis. The word only appears four times in the New Testament — maybe most memorably in Hebrews 1:3, where Jesus is said to be “the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.� Here the author of Hebrews uses the word in reference to the oneness of God. Both the Father and the Son are of the same “nature.� Jesus is “the exact imprint of his nature.�

Bottom line: Ontologically, God the Father and God the Son are identical. And the Holy Spirit is, ontologically, identical to them. Hence, the Trinity -- one God in essence who exists in three persons.

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 18 by brianbbs67]

If your claim is true, then the birth of Jesus would have to be viewed as evil. It would be the same kind of evil that led to the flood. God would have needed to destroy almost all life again to rid the world of the evil spirit/human hybrid. Are you sure that's the argument you want to make?

Sorry to derail this thread. Just pointing out that creature of Heaven have made human babies in the past. So, the Holy Spirit making one is very logical.

To the others replying to me, The page I posted is from Genesis(JPS)(Tanakh).

These divine beings are not all lumped together as evil. Some were, obviously, or at least their offspring were. That leaves the rest as good.

[Tcg]

Just pointing out that creature of Heaven have made human babies in the past. So, the Holy Spirit making one is very logical.

This is a very odd response. I didn't address the logic of this claim, but rather that if God flooded the world because of some kind of heavenly creature/human hybrids, why was he not bothered by Jesus if he was a heavenly creature/human hybrid?

[liamconnor]

When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?

Are the physical origins of Jesus important for discussing his Nature?

When Jesus defecated (which he most certainly did) was his feces demi-divine or half and half?

The question assumes we have a scientific understanding of the categories God and Man. We don't.

[polonius]

When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?

Are the physical origins of Jesus important for discussing his Nature?

RESPONSE:

Only if we are going to claim that Jesus is divine.

[TripleZ]

Well, how many spirit creatures have been born of a human couple? Answer: none. Jesus was flesh and blood.

Hebrews 2:7 "You made him a little lower than angels;"

,, don't forget the full passage;


Heb 2:7 You made him a little lower than the angels, you crowned him with glory and honor,
Heb 2:8 you put everything in subjection under his feet." In subjecting everything to him, he left nothing unsubjected to him. However, at present, we don't see everything subjected to him — at least, not yet.

the numbering system is man made..

[John D. Brey]

[Replying to Wootah]

When God impregnated Mary; was Jesus a man or a demi-God or half and half?

. . . Technically speaking, God didn't impregnate Mary. Jesus was a mammalian basal shoot growing out of the original root of humanity asexually (as is the case with all basal shoots). Technically, the Church is a genet growing from the same root as Jesus. Impregnation supposes sex. And sex is what got the original human thrown out of the garden in the first place. . . Jesus isn't a product of sex. So God didn't impregnate Mary.


John