How and when did the Trinity become Christian dogma?

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:04 pm

[Replying to post 1 by polonius.advice]

All the squabbling between Arianism and Athanasian doctrine amount to little more than quibbles.

Each camp elevates Jesus well beyond the status of human, even of God's most favored human (Son), the anointed one, the Christ.

Each camp's doctrines are tremendous departures from strict Shema monotheism which Jesus himself was said to have proclaimed by the Evangelist known as "Mark".

The point is, the Trinity is a human solution, a human model for understanding the Divine, and how the human desire to deify Jesus fits in with the strict Monotheism the Church fathers inherited, or at least wanted to still identify with.

I cannot pinpoint a specific time when the Trinity became official doctrine, but it certainly seems a progression based on nascent ideas in the New Testament, especially from the evangelist known as "John" and the "apostle" Paul.

Modern day Arians such as the Jehovah's Witnesses proclaim what they consider a human Jesus who is also a small "g" god who pre-existed as an Archangel. (As distinct from the eternal and Almighty God, Father Jehovah).

But a pantheon consisting of two gods, (Jesus and Jehovah), is still a pantheon, and is in effect a compromised Monotheism. No matter that one of the gods carries a lower case "g" and the other, an upper case "G".

tigger2 · Post by **tigger2** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:39 pm

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:27 pm

tigger2 · Post by **tigger2** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:41 am

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:46 am

How can not God pay for sins against God?

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:55 am

Wootah wrote: How can not God pay for sins against God?

He simply forgives the contrite.

Mercy is part of His nature. Forgiveness that requires "payment" is not forgiveness.

When one forgives a debt, one does not expect nor require payment any longer.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:07 pm

[Replying to Elijah John]

And that's unjust. It's basic logic like 1+ 1= 2.

Demonstrate some rational example of forgiveness/mercy that is also just. Something ? Anything ?

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:17 pm

Wootah wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]

And that's unjust. It's basic logic like 1+ 1= 2.

Demonstrate some rational example of forgiveness/mercy that is also just. Something ? Anything ?

Is it unjust to forgive those who repent? Justice is also part of YHVH's character, as is mercy. One need not counteract the other. It is His Wisdom which tempers justice and mercy as well as mercy with justice.

God is wise enough to know whom to forgive, when and how. Do you deny His Wisdom?

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:14 pm

[Replying to Elijah John]

You're asking for the wisdom to believe 1 +1 = 3.

Would a loving God demand that?

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