Daniel 4

[Danmark]

There are still some Christians who claim God appoints world leaders for his purposes. They cite Daniel 4, and Paul's letter to the Romans. From the former:
the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
This was a reference to Nebuchadnezzar. Some Christians today use this verse to justify electing a racist, misogynist, self dealing and lying bigot: Donald Trump.

By the same logic, God Himself chose Barak Obama, a person these same people revile.

Isn't it long past time for not using Bible verses to justify who we should elect as our leaders?

[Talishi]

By the same logic, God Himself chose Barak Obama, a person these same people revile.

When Donald Trump mentioned "President Obama" yesterday he made the guesture of scare quotes with his fingers, implying he's not really our president, probably because he's not really an American. The crowd ate it up. But their own Bible says God himself appoints rulers on Earth.

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]

There are still some Christians who claim God appoints world leaders for his purposes. They cite Daniel 4, and Paul's letter to the Romans. From the former:
the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
This was a reference to Nebuchadnezzar. Some Christians today use this verse to justify electing a racist, misogynist, self dealing and lying bigot: Donald Trump.

By the same logic, God Himself chose Barak Obama, a person these same people revile.

Isn't it long past time for not using Bible verses to justify who we should elect as our leaders?

Yes it is! I used to think "God" was instrumental in picking the right person for the presidency -- until the 1972 election. I was pretty sure Nixon was involved with the Watergate break-in (an in-the-gut feeling) so I voted for McGovern. Well, after the election it didn't take long for the truth to emerge and we had to regurgitate a president.

So much for a deity picking our leaders! You have to wonder if the Republicans will ever get it right -- you know, with "God" as their co-pilot . . . pilot . . . whatever.

[Witness2U]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]

God is the creator of everything we human beings experience so if he elects Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, he will confuse at least half of the Americans who believe they were responsible in choosing these heathens.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]

I believe Daniel 4 is true but I don't use the verse in that way. I'm against hatred and racism.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[McCulloch]

Elections, democracy and consent of those ruled are all concepts entirely foreign to the writers of the Bible. God appoints the rulers, for good or ill. The faithful are called merely to submit to those authorities. Only if submission to authority directly contradicts obedience to one of God's commands are the faithful allowed to disobey.