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Any Trump Supporters Still on Board?

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Even Fox News is abandoning ship.

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“Donald Trump’s vitriolic attacks against Megyn Kelly and his extreme, sick obsession with her is beneath the dignity of a presidential candidate who wants to occupy the highest office in the land. Megyn is an exemplary journalist and one of the leading anchors in America — we’re extremely proud of her phenomenal work and continue to fully support her throughout every day of Trump’s endless barrage of crude and sexist verbal assaults. As the mother of three young children, with a successful law career and the second highest rated show in cable news, it’s especially deplorable for her to be repeatedly abused just for doing her job.�
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03 ... kelly.html

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Well, the thing we all believe is the best part of the USA is the fact that it has a free democracy and free elections. We'll have to wait until November to see how Americans will ultimately vote.

May the least worse candidate win. :D
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Divine Insight wrote: Well, the thing we all believe is the best part of the USA is the fact that it has a free democracy and free elections. We'll have to wait until November to see how Americans will ultimately vote.

May the least worse candidate win. :D
When you put it that way, I think we both can agree on that! ;)
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Another thing in Trump's favor. As a non-politician, he has a "can-do" attitude and not a "no can do" attitude.

Politicians to Trump: "you can't do that, you can't build a wall".

Trump: "watch me".

(remember, Trump builds things!)

Politicians to Trump: "You can't get Europe and Japan to pay for their own defense"

Trump: "watch me".

And so on...
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Elijah John wrote: Another thing in Trump's favor. As a non-politician, he has a "can-do" attitude and not a "no can do" attitude.

Politicians to Trump: "you can't do that, you can't build a wall".

Trump: "watch me".

(remember, Trump builds things!)

Politicians to Trump: "You can't get Europe and Japan to pay for their own defense"

Trump: "watch me".

And so on...
Any moron can make claims like that.

Don't you think that Hillary who has actually been meeting with world leaders might have a better idea of what's possible then Trump?

Trump seems to think that he can just walk in and bully everyone into doing things his way. When you have ever seen that as being a viable "Diplomacy"?

In fact, that's what dictators try to do and the world typically doesn't take too kindly to dictators.

The USA is founded on democracy where we try to work together to bring about change that works for everyone. Trump just wants to BULLY people into accepting only what he wants.

I don't think Trump as a clue how the world works.

And please don't bother pointing to private enterprise where he may have succeeded on some thing occasionally.

For one thing, in private enterprise the CEO can call all the shot, and everyone beneath him just has to go along with the plan whether they like it or not. Otherwise, "You're Fired!". Trump can't just fire everyone in Congress who disagrees with him.

And for another thing, even in the private sector when Trump was making all the calls he didn't always fair well. He had some wins and some loses. Just like everyone else in the private sector.

Just because Trump claims that he's going to bully the world into doing everything he wants to do doesn't mean that he could do it.

It's not even working with Mexico. They have already made it crystal clear that they are NOT going to pay for the wall he wants to build.

So he's already been an international embarrassment for the USA and he hasn't even gotten into office yet. We should be thankful that he already demonstrated how ineffective he will be as president and that he's full of nothing but hot air.

Surely you doing think that you can just vote Trump in an he will wave a magic wand and make all crime disappear from the USA?

It it were that easy the police would have done that years ago. No president was ever stopping law enforcement from enforcing the law.

How is Trump going to be different without telling the police to just ignore the constitution and the legal system and just go out and arrest anyone they think might be a troublemaker?

In fact, in one of his speeches he say, "The police know who these people are".

Well, duh? It that's true then why aren't the police arresting these people? What's stopping them? And how is Trump going to change that?

I still haven't heard an answer to that question.

What's he going to do? Tell the police they no longer need to abide by proper legal protocol?

In his first HOUR in office he's going to have all the criminals deported from the USA.

HOW? What's going to change that the police can suddenly do what they couldn't do before? :-k

The man is a clown. There's no substance to him at all. He's actually quite dangerous. He's not even compatible to Clinton when it comes to having a rational or realistic plan for anything. He seems to think that he'll just be able to wave a magic wand and have the police magically round up all criminals and deport them.

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[Replying to post 14 by Divine Insight]

Donald Trump would not promote sanctuary cities, nor would he sue the state of Arizona for attempting to enforce their borders, nor would he celebrate thugs like Michael Brown who bullied a store owner and tried to steal a cop's gun.

Donald Trump would not pay ransom to the government of Iran which they can use to advance their nuclear program, and/or fund their terrorist activities.

I doubt that rogue regimes like Iran would dare to harrass US warships under a Trump administration, as they have done with under Obama's.

Obama's administration has done all these things, and it is quite likely that Hillary would follow suit.

Trump would give the benefit of the doubt to law enforcement, not to the criminal.

And what Trump lacks in foreign policy experience, he would rely on good, qualified people to advise him.

Yes, Trump can be a bully on the campaign trail. Not likeable, But it is said by those who know him well, that in person, he is quite kindhearted and polite.

By contrast, all Hillary's qualifications and experience have not helped the US really at all.

Benghazi alone and her shameful lying to the parents of it's victims is enough to disqualify her, imo.

And what else has Hillary actually accomplished on the world stage?

To put it simply, Trump wants to put America first. Hillary would most likely seek the approval of the world before doing anything decisive in our national interest.
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To begin with, telling lies about Obama doesn't help Trump. Trump isn't even running against Obama anyway. Obama did not pay ransom for any prisoners. That charge has been thoroughly debunked.
Elijah John wrote: To put it simply, Trump wants to put America first. Hillary would most likely seek the approval of the world before doing anything decisive in our national interest.
You can look at it that way if you like, but I think you would be far better off by simply recognizing the truth. Trump simply doesn't understand that planet Earth has indeed become a global civilization where humanity needs to work together as a whole.

Hillary recognizes this fact, and works within this reality.

If you saw Trump's appearance with the Mexican President you should be well aware that Trump is talking about dividing the world into two opposing "hemispheres" and labeling them "Us versus Them".

If that's not a prelude to WWIII I don't know what is.

Does Trump think our "world" consists entirely of the USA and Mexico complete with a need to even build a WALL between our nations?

I don't think this is an indication that Trump is prepared to recognize a global humanity.

Hillary is light-years ahead of Trump in that regard.

Hillary may be unpopular because of all these superficial scandals about emails and the Clinton Foundation. But in truth she hasn't done anything any different from anyone else who is in a position of great power. Trump would be using his position of power in precisely the same way, and potentially even far more corrupt.

What makes you think Trump is such a goodie two-shoes?

He want's to turn Americans against each other. He incites racism and religious bigotry. He talks about China like as if they are our enemy. He wants to build a wall between the USA and Mexico whilst simultaneously proclaiming that we need to be "buddies" in his personal vendetta against the entire opposite hemisphere of our planet.

The mere fact that you can even argue for him is beyond my understanding.

I can only imagine that you hate Hillary (and Obama) with such a passion that you'll accept anything but a continuation of a democratic presidency.

The problem is that Trump would be far worse. Trump would destroy everything America ever stood for. And he would consider the opposite hemisphere of our every own planet to be our "enemies".

That's just not a presidential candidate. That's a madman who has no clue.

This isn't a normal election. Trump doesn't represent conservative values. Trump doesn't represent Republican values. In fact, Trump doesn't even represent human values. Trump represents a con artist who stole the republican party from the republicans and has turned it into a movement for White Supremacy.

How can you not see through his con job?
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[Replying to post 16 by Divine Insight]

"If that's not a prelude to WWIII I don't know what is. "

Hillary has a lot more experience with wars than Trump.

What we here in Oz find fascianating is that people of US
do not seem to discuss Hillary's email contents but who is responsible for
hacking them.

What's important is not and what is not is :-s

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Monta wrote: [Replying to post 16 by Divine Insight]

"If that's not a prelude to WWIII I don't know what is. "

Hillary has a lot more experience with wars than Trump.

What we here in Oz find fascianating is that people of US
do not seem to discuss Hillary's email contents but who is responsible for
hacking them.

What's important is not and what is not is :-s
Hillary Clinton sent private email using personal email accounts on a non-government, privately maintained server. The contents of these emails were not considered secret at the time they were sent but were retroactively classified secret later. Former Secretaries of State Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell also conducted official business using personal email accounts on non-government, privately maintained servers. No one seems to care, however.
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Monta wrote: [Replying to post 16 by Divine Insight]

"If that's not a prelude to WWIII I don't know what is. "

Hillary has a lot more experience with wars than Trump.

What we here in Oz find fascianating is that people of US
do not seem to discuss Hillary's email contents but who is responsible for
hacking them.

What's important is not and what is not is :-s
There's nothing in the content of those emails that suggests any wrong-doing.

Especially nothing the is out of the ordinary for any political figure who has ever served in office. In fact, I personally can't even understand why people are making such a fuss over it. Have any actual criminal charges been filed against Hillary due to this information?

No.

So there you go. There's no criminal element to it.

This whole election is more like a soap opera where every little thing is being blown out of proportion just for the sake of drama.

Surely you are not so naive to think that Trump would be an angel if he obtained the power of the White House. He would be in bed with every large corporation catering to their desires. In fact, he has promised to deregulate them in the name of creating "Jobs".

But what regulations is he going to remove? Regulations against pollution? Is he going to allow industries to revert back to polluting at will just in the name of creating jobs?

How about worker safety? Does he plan on deregulating worker safety rules so that companies can force people to work in harsh conditions?

What exactly does he plan on deregulating?

Another thing to realize too is that Trump promised the Coal Miners that he'll bring back the coal industries to their states. But how does he plan on doing that?

What most people don't seem to realize is that those states are already producing MORE COAL than ever before because they are now using automated robotic machinery to do the coal mining instead of human laborers.

So it's not like the coal industries aren't running right now. They just don't need human laborers anymore. How in the world is Trump going to change that?

Trump is making promises that make absolutely no sense at all. He's promising to do things that are simply impossible to do.

You're never going to create lots of jobs for coal miners by deregulating the coal industries. The coal industries simply don't need manual laborers anymore. They use ROBOTS and automated machinery now. So deregulating them isn't going to create jobs anyway. It's just going to make the coal tycoons richer. And the coal miners will still be out of work.

Trump wants to take us back to the 1950's, but that's never going to happen.

Technology isn't going to back-up to the 1950's for Trump.
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Divine Insight wrote: To begin with, telling lies about Obama doesn't help Trump. Trump isn't even running against Obama anyway. Obama did not pay ransom for any prisoners. That charge has been thoroughly debunked.
Elijah John wrote: To put it simply, Trump wants to put America first. Hillary would most likely seek the approval of the world before doing anything decisive in our national interest.
You can look at it that way if you like, but I think you would be far better off by simply recognizing the truth. Trump simply doesn't understand that planet Earth has indeed become a global civilization where humanity needs to work together as a whole.

Hillary recognizes this fact, and works within this reality.

If you saw Trump's appearance with the Mexican President you should be well aware that Trump is talking about dividing the world into two opposing "hemispheres" and labeling them "Us versus Them".

If that's not a prelude to WWIII I don't know what is.

Does Trump think our "world" consists entirely of the USA and Mexico complete with a need to even build a WALL between our nations?

I don't think this is an indication that Trump is prepared to recognize a global humanity.

Hillary is light-years ahead of Trump in that regard.

Hillary may be unpopular because of all these superficial scandals about emails and the Clinton Foundation. But in truth she hasn't done anything any different from anyone else who is in a position of great power. Trump would be using his position of power in precisely the same way, and potentially even far more corrupt.

What makes you think Trump is such a goodie two-shoes?

He want's to turn Americans against each other. He incites racism and religious bigotry. He talks about China like as if they are our enemy. He wants to build a wall between the USA and Mexico whilst simultaneously proclaiming that we need to be "buddies" in his personal vendetta against the entire opposite hemisphere of our planet.

The mere fact that you can even argue for him is beyond my understanding.

I can only imagine that you hate Hillary (and Obama) with such a passion that you'll accept anything but a continuation of a democratic presidency.

The problem is that Trump would be far worse. Trump would destroy everything America ever stood for. And he would consider the opposite hemisphere of our every own planet to be our "enemies".

That's just not a presidential candidate. [ib]That's a madman who has no clue.[/b]

This isn't a normal election. Trump doesn't represent conservative values. Trump doesn't represent Republican values. In fact, Trump doesn't even represent human values. Trump represents a con artist who stole the republican party from the republicans and has turned it into a movement for White Supremacy.

How can you not see through his con job?
Do you really think this is reasoned refutation and rebuttal? Seems more like ranting to me,(especially the portions I have bolded here) and you have not really addressed my previous points.

Also the "ransom charge" has NOT been "thoroughly debunked". Intellectual notables shuch as Dr. Charles Krauthammer would not agree with that claim. And many others.

Also, the fact that we may have owed Iran that money several decades ago does not justify our payment to the present, illegitimate terrorist regeime,. Especially when it is quite likely they would use that money to fund it's terrorist operations.

Also, Hillary promised to put Coal mining companies and coal miners "out of business".

How anyone from WV, KY or PA could vote for her in light of this promise is beyond my comprehension.

I doubt West Virginia or Kentucky will, but Pennsylvania? I wonder, Pennsylvanians voted for Obama no matter that he characterized them as "clinging to God, guns and animosity for people who are not like them". (or words to that effect)

So, who knows what those voters will overlook in a candidate.
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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